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I had to chuckle when I looked at the receipt I got at a German brew-pub recently. They had a little tag-line at the bottom which said 'Vielen Dank und einen guten Heimweg'. I get the idea well enough -- and it's a nice thought :) -- but how does one render that second part in idiomatic English?!?

"and have a good way home" (good is literal translation it would be safe/nice if you want to capture the meaning)

Sorry, but as a native speaker of English (with a post-graduate degree in linguistics), I'm afraid 'have a good way home' is simply not idiomatic; i.e., it is not something that an English speaker would say. In Ireland one hears 'Safe home!', which gets to the safe / nice meaning you mention. 'Have a good trip home'? Maybe, if the trip involved some distance -- but not if, for example, someone was walking 100-200 metres home from the pub. It's tricky.

There is nothing that is fitting.

What is is said having the same basic idea is: Take care

Seems that a "Vielen Dank für ihren Besuch" could've done the job. That said, I don't see why the "Vielen Dank und einen guten Heimweg" is wrong.

Well, it means 'have a save trip home', not 'take care'.

It is somewhat unusual in German as well. You might say something like 'drive carefully' to a friend but it's quite unorthodox for a pub to express something along those lines.

it translates to "save trip home" but is used in a way a New Yorker would say "take care"

a tub tub would not mention driving after drinking ;)

Well the German word Heimweg refers to a way back home, without referencing distance in this instance, but inherently implying shorter distances manageable by foot.

I would not translate this as a trip or journey implying longer distances - this would be a Heimreise or Heimfahrt involving greater distances and some kind of mechanical assistance in completing this.

(And yes, given some circumstances, a 100m walk back home from the pub can be quite tricky!)

I think I'd translate it as "get home safely", although perhaps that carries too much of a connotation that something bad is likely to happen on your five-minute walk home.

i know it is something that can't be translated as such as all more literal translations don't capture the spirit

I must say, I'm a bit confused. If you personally do understand the point being made simply by reading the German text (you say you get the idea and you can appreciate it), as a native speaker of English with a post-graduate degree in linguistics, why would you hope to find an FTer who knows English better than you do? Just my two cents :cool:

I'll assert that einen guten Heimweg does, in fact, mean "Get home safely" in the same context you would use "drive carefully", "be safe on your way home", "be safe on the road".

Is it familiar in its usage? Sure, but businesses are more and more familiar with their customers every day--for example, using the pronouns "du" and "euch" in direct statements to the customer, etc. Campaigns aimed at the under-30 crowd are often familiar and frech. It's relatable and it sells.

Such signs are common in my experience. Kommen Sie gut nach Hause would be something else. I can't see anything unusual about Guter Heimweg.

Not at all. My hope was simply to find someone -- and FT is a convenient starting point -- who knows English as well as I do who also knows German.:cool:

Where is the confusion? It is simply wishing you: "have a safe trip home" or "look after yourself" or "take care", depending on where you are from. As a native English and German speaker I see no problem here.

Again: the question is not about the wish; the wish is understood. The question is how to translate this German phrase into natural English. If you're in the pub with your mates and someone leaves (and you know he lives across the road and 100 metres down), you're not going to say 'have a safe trip home' unless you're taking the p!ss. Does the German Heimweg carry any sense of irony here? I didn't think so.

no irony.
It depends on where you are located. Here in New York it would be *Take care* in this situation

That's exactly what I would (and do) say! :confused:

It's exactly what I would say and do as well. That, or "you'd better not've stuck us with your drink bill!".
The German Heimweg in this case carries no irony, sarcasm, or double entendre that I can detect here. It just fills the space on the point-of-sale receipt by sprinkling an ounce of sunshine-at-night onto a patron who contributed to keeping the place in business.

Obviously, the question is not how to translate this German phrase into natural English. The question is whether any of us can help you figure out what you should say to your mate in idiomatic English next time he leaves a pub to walk home. I'm afraid I've tried and failed.:cool:

No irony.

Still don´t understand your probelm. It´s like: How to translate "How are you today?" Common greeting in the US, not so in Germany. Nearly no one in Germany would say it if you enter a shop. Simply a cultural difference.

+1. Don´t say it all the time but it´s absolutely common. So you are not a Freak or taking some whatever if you say it to someone who leaves. Even if it´s only a few meters.

Indeed. Not so long ago the question of "how are you" as a greeting in German would evoke a long overture of recent medical dilemmas.

Sometimes it´s still the case:D

oh yeah!

You always have have to consider environment (location , age , education, ....) into account.

translate into English ? In London that would be different from New York from Alabama from Australia ......(trust me as a German living in the US but speaking/emailing with people in AU/UK I run into this all the time

This evening my daughters' school had their final evening drama production. At the end of the performance there were the usual last-night thank-yous. At the end the headmistress said "...and have a safe journey home."

Made me think of this thread. ;)

Deja vu:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/germa...s-germany.html

I would use the term:
"safe journey" or "safe travels"

Heimweg is simply the way home, a general term with no indication how near or far it is or which means of transport is used, be it car, bike, public transport or one's own feet. Trust a native speaker of German.

"Safe Trip Home!"
"Have a good trip home"
"We wish you a pleasant journey home"
"Take care on your way home"
"Enjoy your way home"

all dependent on context, ie friendly farewell, corporate message, and whether the journey is expected to require care or merely enjoyment.