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Clipper801 Jul 4, 2013 1:37 pm

"Right Turn Against Red Light" allowed?
 
Are drivers allowed to make right turn against a red traffic light in Germany as is allowed in North America?

Do car rental companies generally like to see an International Driving Permit from those holding North American driver's licences with only English on them?

Thanks!

bankops Jul 4, 2013 2:12 pm

Right turn on Red is not allowed in North America, though it is permitted in some states in the US. Outside of the US it is not allowed anywhere that I know of.

International licenses for US drivers are never asked for in Europe though there are some exceptions in Germany for a few states licenses due to reciprocity reasons.

FLYMSY Jul 4, 2013 2:44 pm

Right turn on red is not allowed in Germany.

In more than 10 years of renting cars in Germany, I have never been asked for an international driving permit.

Clipper801 Jul 4, 2013 2:44 pm


Originally Posted by bankops (Post 21041124)
Right turn on Red is not allowed in North America, though it is permitted in some states in the US. Outside of the US it is not allowed anywhere that I know of.

International licenses for US drivers are never asked for in Europe though there are some exceptions in Germany for a few states licenses due to reciprocity reasons.

Thank you. I believe most states in the U.S. and all Canadian provinces permit right turn on red, unless there is a sign at that light saying one cannot make a right turn against a red light, just like a no right turn or no U turn sign.

Canadian driver's licence is fully exchangeable to a German driver's licence without a test.

Clipper801 Jul 4, 2013 2:53 pm


Originally Posted by FLYMSY (Post 21041250)
Right turn on red is not allowed in Germany.

In more than 10 years of renting cars in Germany, I have never been asked for an international driving permit.

Many thanks. In that case, I shall save a few $ not to get the IDP.

Aviatrix Jul 4, 2013 3:21 pm

Turning right on red is allowed in Germany if there is a (painted) green arrow mounted next to the traffic lights - see this German Wikipedia article for further information:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnpfeil

This is an East German rule that was introduced country-wide after Reunification.

Clipper801 Jul 4, 2013 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by Aviatrix (Post 21041432)
Turning right on red is allowed in Germany if there is a (painted) green arrow mounted next to the traffic lights - see this German Wikipedia article for further information:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnpfeil

This is an East German rule that was introduced country-wide after Reunification.

Many thanks. I used Google Translate and got most of the article.

Alex71 Jul 5, 2013 12:56 am


Originally Posted by Aviatrix (Post 21041432)
Turning right on red is allowed in Germany if there is a (painted) green arrow mounted next to the traffic lights - see this German Wikipedia article for further information:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnpfeil

This is an East German rule that was introduced country-wide after Reunification.

I'd say the green arrow is still pretty rare in the west. I occasionally see one, but people don't always now what to make of it.

Track Jul 5, 2013 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by Clipper801 (Post 21041251)
Thank you. I believe most states in the U.S. and all Canadian provinces permit right turn on red, unless there is a sign at that light saying one cannot make a right turn against a red light, just like a no right turn or no U turn sign.

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The only place left in the U.S. that allows right turns on red only where a sign specifically permits it is New York City.

CDTraveler Jul 5, 2013 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by bankops (Post 21041124)
Right turn on Red is not allowed in North America, though it is permitted in some states in the US. Outside of the US it is not allowed anywhere that I know of.

In the United States "right turn on red except where posted" has been allowed under federal law since the mid 70's. States that wanted federal highway money were required to allow it.

I can't say if it is legal, but it is done in the Netherlands and Italy - seen it many times.

MichaelBrighton Jul 6, 2013 1:20 am


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 21047633)
In the United States "right turn on red except where posted" has been allowed under federal law since the mid 70's. States that wanted federal highway money were required to allow it.

I can't say if it is legal, but it is done in the Netherlands and Italy - seen it many times.

I live in the Netherlands. The only vehicles that "turn right on red" here are bicycles.

Aviatrix Jul 6, 2013 1:33 am


Originally Posted by Alex71 (Post 21043158)
I'd say the green arrow is still pretty rare in the west. I occasionally see one, but people don't always now what to make of it.

Rare in some places, quite common in others. There are several in Lübeck - maybe something to do with its proximity to the former border?

oliver2002 Jul 6, 2013 2:27 am

There are plenty of them in Munich especially in my neighbourhood. People have no clue how to properly do it though. You are supposed to stop at line, check for pedestrians, then move forward, look for traffic and then turn. If I stop at the line the guy behind me starts honking like nuts, if I pause to look for traffic before turn, the same aggression. It seems the drivers behind me have superman vision and know exactly whats ahead of me. When I walk across the same crossing I have to run for my life if I happen to be on the crosswalk when a car is approaching :p

Palal Jul 6, 2013 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 21047633)
I can't say if it is legal, but it is done in the Netherlands and Italy - seen it many times.

In many places in Italy, traffic lights are optional.

CDTraveler Jul 6, 2013 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by MichaelBrighton (Post 21048377)
I live in the Netherlands. The only vehicles that "turn right on red" here are bicycles.

....and tourists.


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