Caesars Total Rewards Promotions for 2017
#31
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Michigan
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Yeah, the table game tier credit earning seems quite opaque. FWIW, a couple years ago I play a $5 table 3:2 blackjack game at Bally's Las Vegas for a couple hours, betting about $15/hand average for about 2 hours and earned around 150 tier credits.
Last edited by mudpuppy; Aug 24, 2017 at 6:45 am Reason: Indicate Bally's LV versus AC
#32
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: JFK/LGA/EWR
Posts: 1,296
I've been asking this myself too. Playing JoB, the VP game with the least variance, the theoretical loss on a $250 coin-in is $5 to $10, depeding on the machine's pay table. So an average loss of 90$ for the 9 badges that award you 225*9=2025 TPs. Definitely worth it.
#34
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"EARN TIER CREDITS FOR 2018 // GET A JUMP START ON MAINTAINING YOUR TIER STATUS FOR ANOTHER YEAR
OCTOBER 1 – DECEMBER 31, 2017"
https://www.totalrewards.com/content...nus-offer.html
"FOR EVERY 500 TIER CREDITS YOU EARN BETWEEN OCTOBER 1 AND DECEMBER 31, WE WILL GIVE YOU A 100 TIER CREDIT BONUS FOR 2018."
opt-in required.
#35
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Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 219
I got I think a regular mail piece about this yesterday, although I can't find it right now. Google turned this up:
"EARN TIER CREDITS FOR 2018 // GET A JUMP START ON MAINTAINING YOUR TIER STATUS FOR ANOTHER YEAR
OCTOBER 1 DECEMBER 31, 2017"
https://www.totalrewards.com/content...nus-offer.html
"FOR EVERY 500 TIER CREDITS YOU EARN BETWEEN OCTOBER 1 AND DECEMBER 31, WE WILL GIVE YOU A 100 TIER CREDIT BONUS FOR 2018."
opt-in required.
"EARN TIER CREDITS FOR 2018 // GET A JUMP START ON MAINTAINING YOUR TIER STATUS FOR ANOTHER YEAR
OCTOBER 1 DECEMBER 31, 2017"
https://www.totalrewards.com/content...nus-offer.html
"FOR EVERY 500 TIER CREDITS YOU EARN BETWEEN OCTOBER 1 AND DECEMBER 31, WE WILL GIVE YOU A 100 TIER CREDIT BONUS FOR 2018."
opt-in required.
Does anyone know which Caesar property has the best pay table for a 100 line VP game? I prefer 100 line because there are more chances not to miss a royal because of the larger number of hands. Also, it's a game that never wastes your entire bet (even if you discard all 5 cards, you still get around 170 credits on a 500 credit bet)
#36
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA | CLT, formerly LHR & AMS (with just a bit of PSP)
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Posts: 8,170
Hi,
Does anyone know which Caesar property has the best pay table for a 100 line VP game? I prefer 100 line because there are more chances not to miss a royal because of the larger number of hands. Also, it's a game that never wastes your entire bet (even if you discard all 5 cards, you still get around 170 credits on a 500 credit bet)
Does anyone know which Caesar property has the best pay table for a 100 line VP game? I prefer 100 line because there are more chances not to miss a royal because of the larger number of hands. Also, it's a game that never wastes your entire bet (even if you discard all 5 cards, you still get around 170 credits on a 500 credit bet)
I strongly suggest you read up on some video poker strategies. Especially important is learning to play "close to perfect," and understanding the variance of the different games. Variance can be a big issue. Also setting your bankroll properly in relation to the amount you are betting per spin. (Or at least understanding if you are short-bankrolled.)
Broad concepts, most of the "best" video poker in major casino markets are at a high denomination.
#37
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Michigan
Programs: DL PM
Posts: 854
I've always understood that video poker is relatively high variance versus most casino games (except slots of course) because you're relying on hitting a royal every once in a while to stay close to that house edge. If you don't hit a royal then you can easily see an effective house edge that is much much higher. Thus the desire to play a multi-line machine in order to see a lot more hands and increase the likelihood of a royal. The down side is in my experience the multi-line machines tend to have lower pay tables than single play.
#38
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: JFK/LGA/EWR
Posts: 1,296
The math is the math, whether it's multi-line or single line game. A 9/6 JoB game has a house edge of approximately .46% with a relatively low variance. (It's a slightly negative game). That does not change if you play a single line or multi-line game.
I strongly suggest you read up on some video poker strategies. Especially important is learning to play "close to perfect," and understanding the variance of the different games. Variance can be a big issue. Also setting your bankroll properly in relation to the amount you are betting per spin. (Or at least understanding if you are short-bankrolled.)
Broad concepts, most of the "best" video poker in major casino markets are at a high denomination.
I strongly suggest you read up on some video poker strategies. Especially important is learning to play "close to perfect," and understanding the variance of the different games. Variance can be a big issue. Also setting your bankroll properly in relation to the amount you are betting per spin. (Or at least understanding if you are short-bankrolled.)
Broad concepts, most of the "best" video poker in major casino markets are at a high denomination.
Edit: I personally wouldn't play $5 8/5 JoB.
#39
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: BNA/SAN
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Posts: 754
Email received today on changes to TR Diamond along with an offer of a 3000 Tier Credits if I make it to 12000 TCs by December 17th taking me to Diamond for next year.
Slightly off topic for this thread but the most benefits stay the same except access to the Diamond Lounges look to only be complementary if you earn 25K Tier Credits this year.
2018 DIAMOND BENEFITS
Diamond members will continue to receive:
$100 Celebration dinner
Priority lines at hotel check-in, restaurants, cashiers and Total Rewards Centers
Complimentary resort fees for all stays
Complimentary valet and self-parking
Complimentary 4-night stay at Atlantis, Paradise Island resort in the Bahamas
And more great benefits
In 2018, Diamond Lounge access will be complimentary for members who earn at least 25,000 Tier Credits in 2017.
Slightly off topic for this thread but the most benefits stay the same except access to the Diamond Lounges look to only be complementary if you earn 25K Tier Credits this year.
2018 DIAMOND BENEFITS
Diamond members will continue to receive:
$100 Celebration dinner
Priority lines at hotel check-in, restaurants, cashiers and Total Rewards Centers
Complimentary resort fees for all stays
Complimentary valet and self-parking
Complimentary 4-night stay at Atlantis, Paradise Island resort in the Bahamas
And more great benefits
In 2018, Diamond Lounge access will be complimentary for members who earn at least 25,000 Tier Credits in 2017.
#40
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 144
Email received today on changes to TR Diamond along with an offer of a 3000 Tier Credits if I make it to 12000 TCs by December 17th taking me to Diamond for next year.
Slightly off topic for this thread but the most benefits stay the same except access to the Diamond Lounges look to only be complementary if you earn 25K Tier Credits this year.
2018 DIAMOND BENEFITS
Diamond members will continue to receive:
$100 Celebration dinner
Priority lines at hotel check-in, restaurants, cashiers and Total Rewards Centers
Complimentary resort fees for all stays
Complimentary valet and self-parking
Complimentary 4-night stay at Atlantis, Paradise Island resort in the Bahamas
And more great benefits
In 2018, Diamond Lounge access will be complimentary for members who earn at least 25,000 Tier Credits in 2017.
Slightly off topic for this thread but the most benefits stay the same except access to the Diamond Lounges look to only be complementary if you earn 25K Tier Credits this year.
2018 DIAMOND BENEFITS
Diamond members will continue to receive:
$100 Celebration dinner
Priority lines at hotel check-in, restaurants, cashiers and Total Rewards Centers
Complimentary resort fees for all stays
Complimentary valet and self-parking
Complimentary 4-night stay at Atlantis, Paradise Island resort in the Bahamas
And more great benefits
In 2018, Diamond Lounge access will be complimentary for members who earn at least 25,000 Tier Credits in 2017.
#41
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Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 219
The math is the math, whether it's multi-line or single line game. A 9/6 JoB game has a house edge of approximately .46% with a relatively low variance. (It's a slightly negative game). That does not change if you play a single line or multi-line game.
I strongly suggest you read up on some video poker strategies. Especially important is learning to play "close to perfect," and understanding the variance of the different games. Variance can be a big issue. Also setting your bankroll properly in relation to the amount you are betting per spin. (Or at least understanding if you are short-bankrolled.)
Broad concepts, most of the "best" video poker in major casino markets are at a high denomination.
I strongly suggest you read up on some video poker strategies. Especially important is learning to play "close to perfect," and understanding the variance of the different games. Variance can be a big issue. Also setting your bankroll properly in relation to the amount you are betting per spin. (Or at least understanding if you are short-bankrolled.)
Broad concepts, most of the "best" video poker in major casino markets are at a high denomination.
The more hands you play, the more chances you have to hit a Royal. So this is why multi-line has an advantage over single line. The risk of ruin is less for multiplay than for single play. With multiplay, even if I discard all 5 cards, I still get at least 1/3 of my bet back. With single play, you lose your bet most of the times.
So anyways, my original question was if someone knows the paytables for multi line games at all Caesar's properties.
Thank you.
#42
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Join Date: Sep 2016
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Posts: 219
#43
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Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 219
Unfortunately, Vegas DL can't even compare to AC ones, so 10$ to enter a Vegas DL is not worth it. It's better to pay $20 and go to a buffet.
#45
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA | CLT, formerly LHR & AMS (with just a bit of PSP)
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Posts: 8,170
Can you clarify what you mean by relatively low variance? Do you mean relative to other video poker games?
I've always understood that video poker is relatively high variance versus most casino games (except slots of course) because you're relying on hitting a royal every once in a while to stay close to that house edge. If you don't hit a royal then you can easily see an effective house edge that is much much higher. Thus the desire to play a multi-line machine in order to see a lot more hands and increase the likelihood of a royal. The down side is in my experience the multi-line machines tend to have lower pay tables than single play.
I've always understood that video poker is relatively high variance versus most casino games (except slots of course) because you're relying on hitting a royal every once in a while to stay close to that house edge. If you don't hit a royal then you can easily see an effective house edge that is much much higher. Thus the desire to play a multi-line machine in order to see a lot more hands and increase the likelihood of a royal. The down side is in my experience the multi-line machines tend to have lower pay tables than single play.
It depends on how you frame the question. If you play 7/5 100 play JoB (the only version I've ever seen in a TR property) it will naturally have a lower variance than the single line version with the same coin in. That said, I'd rather play a single line game with a better return for the same coin in (ie $5 8/5 JoB > 5 100 line 7/5 JoB) even with the higher variance - ignoring taxes. But the trading of variance for EV is not really a question of mathematics for the vast majority of players.
Edit: I personally wouldn't play $5 8/5 JoB.
Edit: I personally wouldn't play $5 8/5 JoB.