Frontier needs the Luv now. MOVE OVER SW!
 

Why hasn't Frontier got the attention as Southwest has with Luv? Frontier has good prices like Southwest. So what's everyone's problem and not recognizing Frontier? I want Frontier to thrive and do something so they won't go out of business. I don't want those (TAIL) animals to go away!

F9's doing it with DirecTV at every seat, extra legroom for price or status, and assigned seating, too. With their expansion into more point-to-point vs. hub/spoke destinations, they're definitely out-Southwesting Southwest right now.

I hate the boarding process on SW, love the Frontier seating assignments.
Love Flip, Hector and the singing Penguins.
I think Frontier needs to get to Hawaii before SW does quickly. I think SW is eying or already has plans for Hawaii.

Hawaii is not a good solution for F9. All the places they would be able to fly from (West Coast, possibly feed from DEN) will be more than saturated by AS, WN, and the host of legacy carriers out there. Frontier's future is in point to point vacation flying, similar to Allegient, but with more south of the border flying.

[QUOTE=MikeFromMKE;19939409Frontier's future is in point to point vacation flying, similar to Allegient, but with more south of the border flying.[/QUOTE]

In line with which, HUX - Huatulco, Mexico - has been added to the route map, from STL and from ORD.

It's in conjunction with Apple Vacations, similar to Frontier's DEN-PUJ.

And their entrance into smaller markets like TTN is very Southwesty (or atleast the old Southwest) with smaller alternative airports to big cities.

Indeed. I'd fly DEN-TTN in a heartbeat when going to NYC if F9 will start the route.

As much as I would love to promote the service, TTN isn't really a alternative to NYC as your about 1:15 plus tunnel traffic (can be 30-60 minutes plus) away by car and 1:15 on Amtrak ($80-100 RT) or 1:35-1:45 via Local NJ Transit train ($30 RT)

Philly is more of the alternate as you could be in Philly in about 30-45 minutes via car. You can get there by train in 45 minutes as well via Amtrak ($60-$75 RT) or 1:15 via the Local SEPTA train (around $20 RT I think).

If you wanted to vacation at the Jersey Shore you are about 45 minutes or so from the Belmar/Pt. Pleasant Area via car no train service.

There is a debate going on about whether the TTN runway - at 6000 feet - could handle a full load to DEN.

SNA is shorter but so is SNA-DEN. Supposedly, the rule of thumb for the A319, for TTN-DEN, is about 6300 feet.

I don't know, I'm not a Tech Wallah, but I am reading conflicting opinions.

Yes, I should be more precise. My business takes me to the Jersey suburbs, not to NYC proper.

I like how Frontier never has the problem with overbooking passengers on flights. Assigned seats are better and knowing if the plane is going to be full instead of SW pick your own seat.

I "cheated" on Frontier with SW twice this last year, once due to a route that Frontier didn't fly, and again due to significantly better price/schedule. SW comped A-List status to Frontier FF's for the end of the year so I got to experience their elite experience as well.

Results:
Trip 1 was OK, despite status I waited for 45 minutes at security in PIT as no one was checking/enforcing the elite line. Also I found the whole seating process very stressful, was flying with a companion who did not have A-List status and didn't know how it would work out (it did, but I hated the uncertainty of not knowing whether we'd be seated together).

Trip 2, arrived in LGA at the crack of dawn, only to sit for 3 hours due to a mechanical issue before the flight took off. No apology, voucher, compensation, or anything else sent after-the-fact.

The verdict:
Unless presented with overwhelmingly better fare/schedule or a route which F9 doesn't fly with no alternative, I would not choose fly SW again, now that the free elite status has expired.

So were you able to sit next to your companion on TRIP 1? Did you try to save the seat next to the person with your jacket or bag? Or did someone want to sit in your row and take the seat with someone else?

SW and Frontier have usually the same price for my destination I fly a lot. But sometimes, one airline has a much more higher price. So then I wouldn't buy rt, and book OW trips with the carriers.

F9 is essentially punting on business travel with the elimination of routes to large east coast destinations, 4X weekly service to some destinations, not to mention no alliance or first class. Right now it is basically a hybrid of Allegiant and Southwest - trending toward Allegiant. This business model works provided fuel cost is low but is geared toward leisure travelers.

Frontier is a leisure airline which some business travellers fly sometimes.

The highly seasonal, lower frequency model works just fine with the present fuel prices and the new route map shows the increasing emphasis on north/south winter flying and seasonal destinations in summer.

On December 31, Republic upgraded the profit estimates for Frontier for Q4. The airline is flying profitably and has been for most of the year.

I used to love Frontier... and I used to fly Frontier DEN-MDW and back on a regular basis until two years ago when they delayed one of my flights for 5 hours without any updates and no assistance (no one at the counter). They cancelled the last flight (following mine) before they cancelled my flight so those customers booked up all other available flights and cars. My flight was supposedly cancelled due to weather and the other flight was cancelled due to mechanical issues. When I called them, they couldn't get me on another flight for 5 days so I found one last car, a couple of people (from the other flight) and we drove. I only received a credit for my flight while they got a credit and a refund for the car/gas/ and some other benefits. I didn't appreciate any of it. I don't care for the $20 bag charge and they significantly reduced my options for flying my route. I've had no problems with Southwest, I don't have to pay for luggage, I have many flights to choose from on any given day, the prices are low, and I get to pick my own seats. It would be sad to see a denver airline go out of business but for me SW just makes more sense.

If the delay was mechanical and was over 3 hours, then you are owed a voucher by WN's own rules. I would call on this one and ask where your voucher is. We had a flight delayed 3hr 15m and got a $100 voucher. In addition, they are supposed to make beverages available in the gate area -- again WN's policy.

Welcome to FlyerTalk, Zodi. What month was your cancelled flights years ago? Was it in Dec or January, with holiday seasons, snowstorms, etc? 5 days seems long to get you on another flight.

Thanks for the welcome. The flight was cancelled in February or March. They did have some bad weather in Denver in the morning but by the afternoon, planes were taking off. I know problems/weather come up but it's important, IMHO, how those situations are handled. Do airlines really expect you to wait 5 days for another flight? It doesn't sound reasonable to me...

I was able to sit next to my companion, but I knew enough from reading the SW forum to check her in exactly at T-24 to get a decent boarding number, as well as to sit around row 5-6 and not try and save an exit or otherwise highly-prized seat. I was asked by a few people if they could have the seat and replied politely that I was hoping to save it for someone... didn't have any trouble with that answer but it did raise the blood pressure a bit. Not that it would have been the end of the world to fly separately, but the whole uncertainty piece was unpleasant for me.

That is odd. So no really explanation from Frontier besides their excuse for mechanical and weather? People would have work in those 5 days, so, why would they expect someone to wait 5 days. Did you call Frontier customer service when you got home and told them what had happened?

I just find it crazy that on SW you have to ask people if you could sit next to you. It's kind of annoying actually. I just like the simple seating assignments on every other airlines.

I called Frontier and explained what happened, they said they didn't have a crew to fly the plane (weather related), and didn't have anything to offer. I was shocked; I've flown with them so many times, never a problem, always an amazing service and then this. I started flying SW and I'm happy.

As far as the arrangement on SW, you line up in order of when you checked in and when you enter the plane you take whatever available seat you want. If you want to sit next to someone, you should make sure to check in early and check in together. You're not supposed to hold the seat for anyone because that defeats the whole open seating arrangement. I get really annoyed and frustrated when people hold seats for others that are behind me in order. I've flown with other people before and made sure we end up in a seat together and when there were no two seats together, we set apart. It's not the end of the world. ;)

Frontier needs a lounge at DEN. It would be ahead of Southwest on something.

Buy an AA Admirals Club membership. With that you have the lounge on Concourse A at DEN, and you can probably use it at some other airports as well.