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knope2001 Feb 20, 2012 9:04 am

Here comes Bismark
 
DEN-BIS starts May 17, 1x/day except Wednesday and Saturday, on the E190.

Although this another low-frequency route, Bismark already is a remote, low-frequency station in general. And the two days with no flights are lower days for business travel. The western North Dakota oil boom underway makes this a pretty decent addition.

I can be skepticall of some of the less-than-daily schedules (like when they launched MCI-SAT operating 1x/day except not Monday and Friday) but DEN-BIS has a better shot.

MikeFromMKE Feb 20, 2012 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by knope2001 (Post 18049303)
DEN-BIS starts May 17, 1x/day except Wednesday and Saturday, on the E190.

Although this another low-frequency route, Bismark already is a remote, low-frequency station in general. And the two days with no flights are lower days for business travel. The western North Dakota oil boom underway makes this a pretty decent addition.

I can be skepticall of some of the less-than-daily schedules (like when they launched MCI-SAT operating 1x/day except not Monday and Friday) but DEN-BIS has a better shot.

Should be an interesting one to watch. I think they have a fair sized subsidy for the route so its worth a shot.

Does RJET have an E90 base in DEN now? I thought that most of them were based out of MKE and flown through DEN but that's probably changing now.

knope2001 Feb 20, 2012 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by MikeFromMKE (Post 18050556)
Should be an interesting one to watch. I think they have a fair sized subsidy for the route so its worth a shot.

Any idea of the size, form or duration of the subsidy? The word "subsidy" is used as a pejorative (especially in some of those other airline forums) but in fact some of the things which are tagged "subsidy" are garden-variety incentives like waived landing fees. Most airlines benefit from these sorts of "subsidies" on occasion. The cash-payments-to-cover-losses sort of subsidy is much less common.

MostlyAir Feb 20, 2012 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by knope2001 (Post 18050834)
Any idea of the size, form or duration of the subsidy? The word "subsidy" is used as a pejorative (especially in some of those other airline forums) but in fact some of the things which are tagged "subsidy" are garden-variety incentives like waived landing fees. Most airlines benefit from these sorts of "subsidies" on occasion. The cash-payments-to-cover-losses sort of subsidy is much less common.

I believe the information you're looking for is in the article below.

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/loca...9bb2963f4.html

knope2001 Feb 20, 2012 2:37 pm

Thanks! Apparently my Google skills are lacking today...

mke9499 Feb 20, 2012 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by knope2001 (Post 18049303)
I can be skepticall of some of the less-than-daily schedules (like when they launched MCI-SAT operating 1x/day except not Monday and Friday) but DEN-BIS has a better shot.

The less than-daily-schedule for Bismarck is the type of scheduling strategy Bryan Bedford talked about utilizing, citing it as being used effectively by ULCCs such as Allegiant.

cwe84 Feb 20, 2012 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by MikeFromMKE (Post 18050556)
Does RJET have an E90 base in DEN now? I thought that most of them were based out of MKE and flown through DEN but that's probably changing now.

DEN has always been the E190 base. MKE was the E170/90 base and is closing. DCA/MCI is a E170/5/90 base.

btr Feb 21, 2012 1:00 am


Originally Posted by cwe84 (Post 18051589)
DEN has always been the E190 base. MKE was the E170/90 base and is closing. DCA/MCI is a E170/5/90 base.

...and with the Q400s going away, the E190s will see more use for destinations such as COS.


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