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August T100's (onboard loads)
Here are the August onboard load (T100) stats for YX/F9 in the legacy Midwest system, new Frontier DEN markets, and some select MKE competitors. As always, remember that onboard loads are only half the picture when estimating relative results because they do not tell us much about fare or traffic composition:
Routes primarily served by Airbus or EJets 96.5% ….. MCI ….. LAX (81.2%)* 95.5% ….. MKE ….. SEA 95.0% ….. MCI ….. SFO (80.8%)* 93.9% ….. MCI ….. BOS 93.9% ….. MKE ….. LAX 93.9% ….. MKE ….. SAN 93.8% ….. MKE ….. LAS 93.5% ….. MKE ….. SFO 92.3% ….. MKE ….. LGA 91.9% ….. MKE ….. DEN 91.5% ….. MKE ….. TPA 89.8% ….. MKE ….. PHX 89.4% ….. MKE ….. BOS* 89.4% ….. MCI ….. SEA 88.8% ….. MKE ….. MCO 83.0% ….. MCI ….. LGA* 82.2% ….. MCI ….. DCA 81.9% ….. MKE ….. DCA 78.8% ….. MKE ….. RDU 77.7% ….. MKE ….. DFW 75.5% ….. MCI ….. CMH* 73.6% ….. OMA ….. DCA 73.3% ….. MKE ….. BKG 68.0% ….. MKE ….. MCI* 63.5% ….. MCI ….. MSY* *As in prior months, thru passengers do not appear to be counted, which especially affects results on certain MCI markets and MKE-BOS where there are significant thru traffic flows. MCI-LAX and MCI-SFO loads show are one way, with the other direction reported roughly 30 points lower. Other markets show exactly what was reported because it is less clear what the approximate actual onboard load was...actual load is likely somewhat higher than reported. Routes primarily served by RJ 88.7% ….. MKE ….. PHL 86.8% ….. MKE ….. MSP 85.5% ….. MKE ….. ATL 84.2% ….. MKE ….. EWR 79.4% ….. MKE ….. PIT 77.3% ….. MKE ….. MSN 74.4% ….. MKE ….. OMA 72.8% ….. MKE ….. DSM 70.6% ….. MKE ….. CMH 70.3% ….. MKE ….. STL 67.4% ….. MKE ….. IND 63.2% ….. MKE ….. BNA 63.0% ….. MKE ….. CLE 62.7% ….. MKE ….. FNT 59.5% ….. MKE ….. GRR 55.7% ….. MKE ….. SDF 55.1% ….. MKE ….. DAY 53.6% ….. MKE ….. GRB 51.8% ….. MKE ….. ATW New Frontier DEN markets 93.9% ….. DEN ….. GRR 90.8% ….. DEN ….. MSN 90.6% ….. DEN ….. PHF 89.8% ….. DEN ….. LGB 88.8% ….. DEN ….. FAI 86.4% ….. DEN ….. GRB 86.1% ….. DEN ….. SDF 84.7% ….. DEN ….. BKG 80.2% ….. DEN ….. SBA AirTran 95.8% ….. MKE ….. LGA 95.6% ….. MKE ….. SFO 95.5% ….. MKE ….. LAX 95.1% ….. MKE ….. SEA 95.1% ….. MKE ….. SAN 94.0% ….. MKE ….. LAS 92.8% ….. MKE ….. BOS 89.2% ….. MKE ….. MSP 88.5% ….. MKE ….. MCO 88.0% ….. MKE ….. DEN 87.2% ….. MKE ….. FLL 86.6% ….. MKE ….. TPA 84.7% ….. MKE ….. DCA 83.9% ….. MKE ….. BWI 78.5% ….. MKE ….. ATL 76.4% ….. MKE ….. RSW 73.0% ….. MKE ….. DFW Skywest (FL*) 87.1% ….. MKE ….. CAK 82.9% ….. MKE ….. PIT 67.8% ….. MKE ….. STL 67.8% ….. MKE ….. IND 64.5% ….. MKE ….. OMA 58.5% ….. MKE ….. DSM Southwest 97.0% ….. MKE ….. PHX 95.0% ….. MKE ….. LAS 87.1% ….. MKE ….. TPA 85.0% ….. MKE ….. BWI 78.6% ….. MKE ….. MCO 68.2% ….. MKE ….. MCI Obviously another month of high mainline east-west loads. Just for fun I tallied up the total traffic for the month to nonstop west coast destinations of SEA, SFO, LAX, and SAN. Each day, on average, there were 23.3 nonstops to+from Milwaukee and the west coast, flying at just a hair under 95% load factor with about 2985 passengers onboard. Day after day. Remarkable. 'Course we don't know about local versus connections nor about profitability, but just those simple numbers are pretty amazing considering we're talking about MKE. |
Thanks for always posting these, knope. These are some of my favorite posts, but I don't often have productive thoughts to share in a response.
You are right about the west coast flights. For a time, MKE had next to nothing for nonstop traffic. These results show the west coast markets can be stimulated and there is some demand there, especially in the summer. Personally, I prefer the west coast in the winter, and I'd like to see someone, anyone, get the guts to try MKE-SAN in the winter. There has always been a tendency for carriers to switch their aircraft to Florida routes during the winter and largely abandon the west. MKE-LGA is extremely strong for both F9 and FL in this data. I'm sure $69 fares are party responsible for this, but if a lot of folks are paying to check bags, the yields might not be as bad. What kind of loads is WN getting for MDW-LGA these days, and I wonder how much is connecting? Just wondering if, based on these numbers, if there's even a glimmer of hope that WN would keep MKE-LGA. I'm guessing the winter loads make it a non-starter for them. |
Originally Posted by newsmanhoss
(Post 15157429)
Just wondering if, based on these numbers, if there's even a glimmer of hope that WN would keep MKE-LGA. I'm guessing the winter loads make it a non-starter for them. New York is one of the top destinations from MKE overall and carries a lot of business traffic. With that said, the route itself is probably not strong enough to live on local traffic alone (especially with Frontier being a long time incumbent on the route). If a lot of the existing feeder routes get the axe, LGA is probably a goner as well. As for the West Coast, it's hard for anyone to make money on those routes outside of peak periods given the very poor yields. If Southwest pulls back in MKE, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Frontier resume year-round service using the E190 during slower months (something Bedford has talked about doing in the past). |
Knope, I too enjoy the information in these posts. But, I am a metrics kinda guy. Keep 'em coming. You may not get much reaction, but rest assured we are reading and enjoying them.
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MKE - BKG did better than I thought it would load wise, but I bet yeilds were low because Frontier did some heavy discounts on that route. Also I think if Southwest is successfully merged with AirTran they will drop MKE - CAK. I think Frontier should pick up that route and maybe even close CLE altogether. CAK has to be a cheaper airport to operate out of.
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Originally Posted by flyYX
(Post 15163941)
Also I think if Southwest is successfully merged with AirTran they will drop MKE - CAK.
The Southwest pilots contract does not allow for the SkyWest flying. There's no way that route will see a 717 or 737. |
Originally Posted by tvnwz
(Post 15163088)
Knope, I too enjoy the information in these posts. Keep 'em coming. You may not get much reaction, but rest assured we are reading and enjoying them.
We are fortunate to have our very own analyst on board. Thanks, knope. |
Originally Posted by BlueHorseShoe2000
(Post 15164108)
MKE-CAK will be dropped.
The Southwest pilots contract does not allow for the SkyWest flying. There's no way that route will see a 717 or 737. |
Originally Posted by flyYX
(Post 15164779)
But the merger is not a slam dunk IMHO. There are rumblings out there that shareholders are not happy with the Southwest offer to buy AirTran. Plus the DoJ has to approve it too. Usually the DoJ doesn't see a problem but there is always an outside chance they will not approve it. Just my two cents.
There might be a few unhappy shareholders and customers (there always are in mergers) but it's likely not enough to derail the merger. |
Originally Posted by flyYX
(Post 15164779)
But the merger is not a slam dunk IMHO. There are rumblings out there that shareholders are not happy with the Southwest offer to buy AirTran.
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Originally Posted by newsmanhoss
(Post 15157429)
What kind of loads is WN getting for MDW-LGA these days, and I wonder how much is connecting? Just wondering if, based on these numbers, if there's even a glimmer of hope that WN would keep MKE-LGA. I'm guessing the winter loads make it a non-starter for them.
Boston 45.1% FL local traffic 59.2% WN local traffic $126.48 average FL fare $153.08 average WN fare New York 59.5% FL local traffic 57.4% WN local traffic $117.65 average fare on FL $152.27 average fare on WN Washington/Baltimore 44.9% FL local traffic 64.3% WN local traffic $127.66 FL local fare $159.93 WN local fare Recall that recently AirTran spoke out how MKE yields were showing large increases year over year? That's true for BOS and DCA, but not so much BOS Q2 AirTran fare 2009 $97.38 2010 $126.48 +29.9% LGA Q2 AirTran fare 2009 $113.27 2010 $117.65 +3.9% DCA AirTran fare 2009 $103.47 2010 $127.66 +23.4% It seems that at BOS and DCA they didn't press fare as heavily and saw a nice average rise, but relied more on connections. At LGA they grew local passengers but fare barely budged year-over-year. The fare gap between FL and WN may be somewhat smaller than this since many FL customers pay for bags, some for seat assignment, and some for business class upgrades. Still, in Q2 this "other" revenue per passenger was $10.17, which doesn't come close to bridging the gap. And when Southwest takes over and stops charging for bags and seat assignments (and has no more business class to sell) that won't make MKE results any stronger. It's certainly possible Southwest could keep some coveted LGA slots for MKE service. Depends on what their plans are and how they view things. They are getting a MKE operation from AirTran which does serve quite a bit of local traffic, and could see that share as something to work to retain. Or they might look at it this way: Forget AirTran for the moment...if Southwest got slots for 10 more departures at LGA they might be eager to add something like this: 3 new STL 2 new MCO 2 new BNA 1 new DEN 2 more MDW Okay, now merge the AirTran system into the Southwest network and look at the whole. Is Milwaukee more profitable, more important to the network, more filled with long-term potential, and more unique-connection-enabling than those markets? If they look at the LGA slots in tht way, flights to IND, CAK, PHF, and MKE are not going to last. |
Originally Posted by flyYX
(Post 15164779)
But the merger is not a slam dunk IMHO. There are rumblings out there that shareholders are not happy with the Southwest offer to buy AirTran. Plus the DoJ has to approve it too. Usually the DoJ doesn't see a problem but there is always an outside chance they will not approve it. Just my two cents.
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Originally Posted by flyYX
(Post 15164779)
But the merger is not a slam dunk IMHO. There are rumblings out there that shareholders are not happy with the Southwest offer to buy AirTran. Plus the DoJ has to approve it too. Usually the DoJ doesn't see a problem but there is always an outside chance they will not approve it.
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Originally Posted by newsmanhoss
(Post 15166175)
Southwest is offering a handsome premium for their shares.
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Originally Posted by RSVP
(Post 15179851)
I hope you're not holding your breath.
If this merger happens, I think Frontier will be able to capitalize on new opportunities at MKE. So as the old Midwest Seat Commercial goes "Sit back, relax and stretch out." That is what I am doing. :) |
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