New Route Cuts Including Newark
Feb 15, 2012, 11:47 am
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I could see UA upgauging MKE-EWR to at least a CR7, and US doing the same for MKE-PHL
Beyond that I can't see WN doing much from MKE to other than their own focus cities. Going to other hubs will be a disaster, and WN has already shown that it can't compete with even US.
Beyond that I can't see WN doing much from MKE to other than their own focus cities. Going to other hubs will be a disaster, and WN has already shown that it can't compete with even US.
Feb 15, 2012, 2:02 pm
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You can ask US' ex-employees in BWI and LAS about that, where WN's domination was total.
Feb 15, 2012, 2:06 pm
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Purely speculation, but I can't realistically see WN keeping a transitioned MKE any larger than they have kept BNA pre-ATL. That would be 24 cities. Right now at MKE, the combined WN+FL has somewhere in the high 20s - I want to say 27 after you take out the duplicates, but I may be off by a couple.
But I can just as easily see WN take MKE down further to 19-20 cities, more like a SAN or an OAK. I don't think they'll take it far down as a RDU or and SLC, with only 13-14 cities.
But I can just as easily see WN take MKE down further to 19-20 cities, more like a SAN or an OAK. I don't think they'll take it far down as a RDU or and SLC, with only 13-14 cities.
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Feb 15, 2012, 2:25 pm
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- Core connections: ATL, BWI, STL, MCI, DEN
- Secondary connections: BNA, HOU, PHX, LAS
- Business markets: LGA, BOS, MSP, LAX
- Sunny markets (seasonal?): TPA, MCO, FLL, CUN
Feb 15, 2012, 7:27 pm
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Purely speculation, but I can't realistically see WN keeping a transitioned MKE any larger than they have kept BNA pre-ATL. That would be 24 cities. Right now at MKE, the combined WN+FL has somewhere in the high 20s - I want to say 27 after you take out the duplicates, but I may be off by a couple.
But I can just as easily see WN take MKE down further to 19-20 cities, more like a SAN or an OAK. I don't think they'll take it far down as a RDU or and SLC, with only 13-14 cities.
But I can just as easily see WN take MKE down further to 19-20 cities, more like a SAN or an OAK. I don't think they'll take it far down as a RDU or and SLC, with only 13-14 cities.
Southwest should be able to function from MKE with a route network like the following at about 48-50 flights per weekday:
- Core connections: ATL, BWI, STL, MCI, DEN
- Secondary connections: BNA, HOU, PHX, LAS
- Business markets: LGA, BOS, MSP, LAX
- Sunny markets (seasonal?): TPA, MCO, FLL, CUN
- Core connections: ATL, BWI, STL, MCI, DEN
- Secondary connections: BNA, HOU, PHX, LAS
- Business markets: LGA, BOS, MSP, LAX
- Sunny markets (seasonal?): TPA, MCO, FLL, CUN
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Feb 16, 2012, 6:33 am
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The service cuts and layoffs show Frontier has lost the Milwaukee battle with Southwest and AirTran that started in 2009, Sorensen said. Frontier's owner, Republic Airways Holdings Inc., is seeking a buyer for the airline, but Sorensen believes those efforts are futile.
"This airline will fail," he said. "There's nothing left to buy."
I do find it interesting though that he thinks WN is likely to pick up MKE-EWR/PHL.
"This airline will fail," he said. "There's nothing left to buy."
I do find it interesting though that he thinks WN is likely to pick up MKE-EWR/PHL.
It's good to see WN's success at MKE and DEN, despite the NW phony-baloney captial infusion.
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Feb 16, 2012, 7:14 am
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Feb 16, 2012, 12:09 pm
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I meant more in terms of the number of non-stop destinations, not the number of flights. OAK has a lot of high-volume routes, where I don't think any destination from MKE would be more than 4x/day and many would only be 2x/day.
Feb 16, 2012, 11:47 pm
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Quote: MCO will probably be cut in September (I'm surprised they're even keeping it this summer with AirTran going up to 4x daily).
I'm surprised they would drop MKE-MCO. I fly that fairly regularly and it's usually very full. Of course I'm not on it every day...
I'm surprised they would drop MKE-MCO. I fly that fairly regularly and it's usually very full. Of course I'm not on it every day...
Feb 16, 2012, 11:52 pm
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A full flight doesn't mean full profits.
Feb 17, 2012, 7:32 am
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I believe delta flies to MSP, DTW and to ATL more then that. I know delta flies to MSP at least 7 times a day on mainline aircraft.
Feb 20, 2012, 6:12 pm
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Having lived in Chicago, there are a number of Chicagoans who will drive (or take the train) to MKE rather than ORD or MDW, plus the people who actually live in MKE, so I think MKE will always have a greater level of service than other cities of similar size, but I think the hub days are gone.
Feb 20, 2012, 9:49 pm
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Southwest in PHL still has 50% more flights than US has out of LAS. As for 5-year trends in PHX, I don't have any data at hand. That puts US' record vs. WN at no better than 1-2-1 in my book.