hotel recommendation /paris
Mar 19, 2017, 3:34 pm
#16
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I have never heard the Mayor say that neighbors should turn in those renting illegal apartments. It would not really be necessary for her to say that as many residents do not want neighboring apartments turned into businesses for absentee landlords and are generally very unhappy about the constant comings and goings of strangers in their buildings.
Somehow I missed this. Do you have a reference for this statement, perhaps a newspaper article?
Unfortunately, it is not illegal to make money renting illegal apartments as long as you do not actually own them yourself. Still, a number of businesses renting illegal apartments have closed their doors.
Somehow I missed this. Do you have a reference for this statement, perhaps a newspaper article?
Unfortunately, it is not illegal to make money renting illegal apartments as long as you do not actually own them yourself. Still, a number of businesses renting illegal apartments have closed their doors.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/pa...ighbor-issues/
https://parispropertygroup.com/blog/...-relationship/
Mar 19, 2017, 5:07 pm
#17
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Paris, France
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Thank you for the links MT but most of the information in the first link came directly from airbnb (probably not extremely objective) and the information in the second link is a quick overview of the recent rental laws and primarily their effects of airbnb.
Basically, what these articles gloss over is the fact that to qualify as a legal rental (explained under item #1 of my post #9), the apartment must be the owner´s legal residence; not a secondary home, not a pied-ŕ-terre, not investment property, not property which is rented from someone else or sublet. Airbnb has tried to entice owners to list their apartments but the bulk of what they presently show on their website is not an owner´s primary residence.
Airbnb attempts to characterize the law ALUR as confusing. Agreed, if the government had issued a complete ban on all rentals, the issue would be much clearer but the law as it is currently written is neither ambiguous nor confusing. Aibnb also complains about government regulation making them report revenues per owner. However, this is nothing different than the 1099´s the US government requires businesses submit.
What I was most interested in was your statement:
Of course they are legal as long as they meet one of the two requirements, again stated in post #9. Are you purposing that portions of ALUR were found to be invalid as determined by a court?
Basically, what these articles gloss over is the fact that to qualify as a legal rental (explained under item #1 of my post #9), the apartment must be the owner´s legal residence; not a secondary home, not a pied-ŕ-terre, not investment property, not property which is rented from someone else or sublet. Airbnb has tried to entice owners to list their apartments but the bulk of what they presently show on their website is not an owner´s primary residence.
Airbnb attempts to characterize the law ALUR as confusing. Agreed, if the government had issued a complete ban on all rentals, the issue would be much clearer but the law as it is currently written is neither ambiguous nor confusing. Aibnb also complains about government regulation making them report revenues per owner. However, this is nothing different than the 1099´s the US government requires businesses submit.
What I was most interested in was your statement:
A court last month held that rentals are legal,
Mar 19, 2017, 9:39 pm
#18
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Thank you for the links MT but most of the information in the first link came directly from airbnb (probably not extremely objective) and the information in the second link is a quick overview of the recent rental laws and primarily their effects of airbnb.
Basically, what these articles gloss over is the fact that to qualify as a legal rental (explained under item #1 of my post #9), the apartment must be the owner´s legal residence; not a secondary home, not a pied-ŕ-terre, not investment property, not property which is rented from someone else or sublet. Airbnb has tried to entice owners to list their apartments but the bulk of what they presently show on their website is not an owner´s primary residence.
Airbnb attempts to characterize the law ALUR as confusing. Agreed, if the government had issued a complete ban on all rentals, the issue would be much clearer but the law as it is currently written is neither ambiguous nor confusing. Aibnb also complains about government regulation making them report revenues per owner. However, this is nothing different than the 1099´s the US government requires businesses submit.
What I was most interested in was your statement:
Of course they are legal as long as they meet one of the two requirements, again stated in post #9. Are you purposing that portions of ALUR were found to be invalid as determined by a court?
Basically, what these articles gloss over is the fact that to qualify as a legal rental (explained under item #1 of my post #9), the apartment must be the owner´s legal residence; not a secondary home, not a pied-ŕ-terre, not investment property, not property which is rented from someone else or sublet. Airbnb has tried to entice owners to list their apartments but the bulk of what they presently show on their website is not an owner´s primary residence.
Airbnb attempts to characterize the law ALUR as confusing. Agreed, if the government had issued a complete ban on all rentals, the issue would be much clearer but the law as it is currently written is neither ambiguous nor confusing. Aibnb also complains about government regulation making them report revenues per owner. However, this is nothing different than the 1099´s the US government requires businesses submit.
What I was most interested in was your statement:
Of course they are legal as long as they meet one of the two requirements, again stated in post #9. Are you purposing that portions of ALUR were found to be invalid as determined by a court?
"The Air BnB situation is Paris is far from settled", and I believe it is. My intent was to warn readers that jumping into a short term rental may be a less secure leap than in other areas to which they travel.
Your posts provide a lot of details, and some might be useful to that audience. For example, there's no reliable way I know of for a customer to know if the rental he/she is considering meets the qualifications to be legal.
Please post all the details you want. Other than the caveats to readers mentioned above, I have no interest in the Paris short term rental market.
Mar 20, 2017, 2:28 am
#19
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Right. Seeing as how there are over 48 thousand Airbnb listings in Paris I'm pretty sure that few people care or know about any such law. Neither owners nor clients.
Mar 20, 2017, 6:21 am
#20
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Paris, France
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This a a general travel bulletin board, and many who visit the France boards do so with little knowledge of the local situation as to rentals. I said:
"The Air BnB situation is Paris is far from settled", and I believe it is. My intent was to warn readers that jumping into a short term rental may be a less secure leap than in other areas to which they travel.
Your posts provide a lot of details, and some might be useful to that audience. For example, there's no reliable way I know of for a customer to know if the rental he/she is considering meets the qualifications to be legal.
"The Air BnB situation is Paris is far from settled", and I believe it is. My intent was to warn readers that jumping into a short term rental may be a less secure leap than in other areas to which they travel.
Your posts provide a lot of details, and some might be useful to that audience. For example, there's no reliable way I know of for a customer to know if the rental he/she is considering meets the qualifications to be legal.
I think that it would be a mistake to underestimate exactly how important this issue is to the French government and to the residents of Paris. Certainly there are investors motived more by profit than they are by the risks associated with black market rental activity. But the vacation rental landscape is changing in Paris and the trend is toward much tighter control. There are risks in renting a vacation apartment in Paris and this is the element which will be of possible interest to many of the reads of a travel bulletin board.
Mar 20, 2017, 7:14 pm
#21
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Going to Paris for 3 nights in late August. I have not been to Paris in nearly 20 years (first time as an adult) and would really like to be centrally located, first and foremost. It seems like the 1st Arrondissement is well-placed - near the Louvre, right on the Seine, not too far east from the Champs-Elysee and the Arc de Triomphe. Agreed - or is there somewhere else I should be looking?
Natural follow-up is - any suggests on where to stay? Not really looking to bust the budget in town, but hotels.com seemed to be showing a (very) high number of 5-star hotels, a number with very decent prices.
Natural follow-up is - any suggests on where to stay? Not really looking to bust the budget in town, but hotels.com seemed to be showing a (very) high number of 5-star hotels, a number with very decent prices.
Mar 20, 2017, 11:00 pm
#22
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Lots of Parisiennes leave for the month and you may find restaurants you want closed, etc.
As for central, if you speak even rudimentary french (or maybe even without) bus and metro is sooo easy. Also Paris is very much a walking city. What you consider "reasonable" and which sites you want to see may be important - there is lots to Paris besides the Champs/Arc and for me those other areas are more interesting than the very touristy Champs - YMMV
As for central, if you speak even rudimentary french (or maybe even without) bus and metro is sooo easy. Also Paris is very much a walking city. What you consider "reasonable" and which sites you want to see may be important - there is lots to Paris besides the Champs/Arc and for me those other areas are more interesting than the very touristy Champs - YMMV
Mar 21, 2017, 7:21 am
#23
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If you are landing at 10 pm with a toddler - I would certainly recommend staying near the airport the first night if your flight is long/involves time zone changes. It's been a while but there are a few basic (some with free transport) hotels nearby and there used to be one (many years ago) that was pretty much directly accessible from CDG
I'd hate to deal with a (likely) fussy, tired, toddler and all the associated luggage, etc (as well as an unfamiliar city?) after a long flight in the dark. IMHO much nicer to just get some sleep, tend to the childs needs and venture to the city next day.
I'd hate to deal with a (likely) fussy, tired, toddler and all the associated luggage, etc (as well as an unfamiliar city?) after a long flight in the dark. IMHO much nicer to just get some sleep, tend to the childs needs and venture to the city next day.
Mar 21, 2017, 7:24 am
#24
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Location: Paris, France
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August is low season for hotels in Paris, quickly followed by high season in September. August is the absolutely the best time for hotel deals as business grinds to a halt for summer vacation and for travel outside of Paris, particularly beach destinations. I wouldn´t book with any third party without first checking a hotel´s own website as it is here where the best deals are often found.
As for where to stay, each portion of the city has positive aspects. Ultimately it´s personal preference.
As for where to stay, each portion of the city has positive aspects. Ultimately it´s personal preference.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:02 am
#25
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Mar 21, 2017, 3:00 pm
#26
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May 12, 2017, 4:49 pm
#28
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Going to Paris for 3 nights in late August. I have not been to Paris in nearly 20 years (first time as an adult) and would really like to be centrally located, first and foremost. It seems like the 1st Arrondissement is well-placed - near the Louvre, right on the Seine, not too far east from the Champs-Elysee and the Arc de Triomphe. Agreed - or is there somewhere else I should be looking?
Natural follow-up is - any suggests on where to stay? Not really looking to bust the budget in town, but hotels.com seemed to be showing a (very) high number of 5-star hotels, a number with very decent prices.
Natural follow-up is - any suggests on where to stay? Not really looking to bust the budget in town, but hotels.com seemed to be showing a (very) high number of 5-star hotels, a number with very decent prices.
May 18, 2017, 11:05 am
#29
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I also had an acquaintance who used airbnb and worked for her last year. She was telling me about it and i even signed up. i just don't know if we personally are comfortable in doing that.
i'll let you know which viable option i go too.
May 19, 2017, 2:17 am
#30
Join Date: Jun 2013
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we are going next week. ended up booking a duplex at hotel marais home for 2 nights (hotels.com with coupon and giving assistant ended up being about 200 a night), then airbnb for the rest of the trip. With the toddler we wanted the kitchen so went with airbnb for the majority of the trip. 2 bedrooms I think it was about 180 euro a night or so but this was on the expensive end for sure.
