New and cancelled destinations, major schedule and operational changes
#16
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#17
Join Date: Jul 2005
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I took HEL-TXL//DUS-HEL with AB last month. HEL-TXL was maybe two thirds full, DUS-HEL fully packed. I must say I did not expect anything, and was quite pleasantly surprised; only the LTU plane from DUS seemed a bit worn out, but it might have just been the colour scheme that I didnät like.
However, if the price difference were only small, I'd definitely prefer AY, even with the new Recaro seats (which I don't find all that bad in fact). However, Finnair to/from TXL seemed to be almost zeroed out for all suitable dates.
However, if the price difference were only small, I'd definitely prefer AY, even with the new Recaro seats (which I don't find all that bad in fact). However, Finnair to/from TXL seemed to be almost zeroed out for all suitable dates.
#18
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Location: HEL
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I am writing this from BA F lounge at LHR T1 and even here, at BA's home base, AY doesn't cooperate with their alliance partner when it comes to lounges, simply unbelievable to me...
#19
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Asia/Europe
Programs: CX, OZ, MU (+AY, DL), Shangri-La, Hilton
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Fully agreed. I really cannot understand why AY tries to save so much with lounges, there's a very nice and large BA lounge @DUS, but AY uses the el cheapo option Hugo whatever, as they do at soo many other locations as well.
Luckily there's OW and this is only affecting those premium pax who do not fly OW regularly. Though, inside Schengen this is often an issue as BA lounges are at different terminals/areas etc.
I am writing this from BA F lounge at LHR T1 and even here, at BA's home base, AY doesn't cooperate with their alliance partner when it comes to lounges, simply unbelievable to me..
Last edited by mosburger; Nov 29, 2007 at 3:53 am
#20
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Programs: AA EXP (2MM), SAS EBG
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SK and SU codeshares on all flights between ARN-SVO and CPH-SVO which started when SK wanted to increase the frequency. Incidentally SU increased their frequency as well...
#21
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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SU is also getting a second HEL-SVO flight some time next year
The timetable will be
HEL-SVO 11.10 - 13.50
SVO-HEL 09.20 - 10.20
My speculation is that AY will codeshare also on this SU flight.
I really hope that it will happen. Otherwise the New York - Helsinki -Moscow route will be ruined by a transit time of over 8 hours instead of the current 35 minutes. Finnair's morning flight will leave earlier than before with no connectivity from JFK. Ofcourse it is possible that the flight times for the JFK flights will also be changed, but the AY timetables don't show such a change.
The timetable will be
HEL-SVO 11.10 - 13.50
SVO-HEL 09.20 - 10.20
My speculation is that AY will codeshare also on this SU flight.
I really hope that it will happen. Otherwise the New York - Helsinki -Moscow route will be ruined by a transit time of over 8 hours instead of the current 35 minutes. Finnair's morning flight will leave earlier than before with no connectivity from JFK. Ofcourse it is possible that the flight times for the JFK flights will also be changed, but the AY timetables don't show such a change.
Code:
Today: SVO-HEL-JFK: 12:55-13:40 // 14:20-15:55 JFK-HEL-SVO: 17:45-08:50 // 09:25-12:05 Summer: SVO-HEL-JFK: 11:45-12:30 // 14:20-15:55 JFK-HEL-SVO: 17:45-08:50 // 11:10-13:50
With AA opening nonstop DMO-ORD, AY might lose some passengers that want to avoid SU and continue to earn AA/AY-miles.
By the way: have AY had a lot of misconnects on the SVO-flight to and from JFK?
Also: May this mean that AY will look into to more routes into US as the connections to SVO are better?
Last edited by GetAA81Back2ARN; Jan 22, 2008 at 12:59 pm Reason: Changed to DMO-ORD as per Smirnoffs answer
#22
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This seems a bit strange. Starting next summer the Russian passengers will actually get a worse connection than today.
Added up, the travel time will increase with close to 3 hours, one segment will be operated by SU. Is this really a profitable move made by AY? On the press relase they claim that 25% of the passengers are connecting to USA.
With AA opening nonstop DMO-JFK, AY might lose some passengers that want to avoid SU and continue to earn AA/AY-miles.
By the way: have AY had a lot of misconnects on the SVO-flight to and from JFK?
Added up, the travel time will increase with close to 3 hours, one segment will be operated by SU. Is this really a profitable move made by AY? On the press relase they claim that 25% of the passengers are connecting to USA.
With AA opening nonstop DMO-JFK, AY might lose some passengers that want to avoid SU and continue to earn AA/AY-miles.
By the way: have AY had a lot of misconnects on the SVO-flight to and from JFK?
Besides, the SVO-HEL-JFK flight is sold on price. I don't think they'll lose many (if any) customers because of the extra hours wait. It'll still be one of the fastest (if not THE fastest) one-stop connection from SVO to JFK.
As for the AA flight, that will be DME-ORD, not JFK.
http://www.domodedovo.ru/en/main/new...s_rel/?ID=1955
https://www.aa.com/aa/pubcontent/en_...Routes.jsp#nir
#23
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Join Date: Aug 2003
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Kiev
Starting next April AY will add a third weekly flight to Kiev. Together with the partner Ukraine International there will be six weekly flights with good connections to the afternoon Asia wawe.
Source: www.finnair.com
Source: www.finnair.com
#24
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Paris
starting the 5th of April, the late evening flight to Paris and the early morning flight from Paris will be operated also on Saturday evenings and Sunday mornings. On their web page (in Finnish) there is really a lot of marketing hype:There will now be 35 flights to Paris. The number of flights to Paris on Saturdays will increase by 25 %. Well, this is true (from four flights to five) but it sounds as an exaggeration.
#25
Join Date: Jul 2005
Programs: AY, SK, AF/KL + randomly others
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Yekaterinburg
According to YLE news, Finnish and Russian authorities have today agreed upon an adjustment to the bilateral air transport agreement, which will allow Finnair to start flights to the city of Yekaterinburg in Ural region coming Autumn.
Finnair has been planning this route for quite some time already (I think they intended to open it already in 2006). Thanks to the new air transport agreement, also frequencies to Moscow and St Petersburg will increase.
Finnair has been planning this route for quite some time already (I think they intended to open it already in 2006). Thanks to the new air transport agreement, also frequencies to Moscow and St Petersburg will increase.
#26
Join Date: Oct 2004
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According to YLE news, Finnish and Russian authorities have today agreed upon an adjustment to the bilateral air transport agreement, which will allow Finnair to start flights to the city of Yekaterinburg in Ural region coming Autumn.
Finnair has been planning this route for quite some time already (I think they intended to open it already in 2006). Thanks to the new air transport agreement, also frequencies to Moscow and St Petersburg will increase.
Finnair has been planning this route for quite some time already (I think they intended to open it already in 2006). Thanks to the new air transport agreement, also frequencies to Moscow and St Petersburg will increase.
Also wondering how those Toyota executives and London bankers are enjoying the new LCC seats and Embraers on their Russia flights?
#27
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Yekaterinburg 3x week, SVO & LED 4x daily, HKG daily, BOM 6x week
More details on Russian and Far-East frequency increases:
Quotes from Finnair Group Press Releases:
Finnair plans flights to Yekaterinburg - More flights to Moscow and St. Petersburg
Finnair is planning to begin scheduled flights next autumn from Helsinki to Yekaterinburg, located in the Urals. In air transport agreement negotiations between Russia and Finland it was also agreed that the number of Finnair and Aeroflot joint flights to and from Moscow will rise in April to four per day, and that the number of St. Petersburg flights operated by Finnair in cooperation with the airline Rossiya will rise to 22 per week.
Finnair plans to fly to Yekaterinburg three times per week. The city is the main centre of the Urals Federal District with good connections to all parts of the vast region of Siberia.
In 2009 the companies intend to fly between Helsinki and St. Petersburg four times per day, i.e. 28 times per week, similar to the arrangement between Helsinki and Moscow.
Mumbai & Hongkong (this one available in Finnish only at the moment)
- An additional weekly BOM flight (HEL-BOM Friday, BOM-HEL Saturday) starting 1st June 2008
- HEL-HKG-HEL goes daily starting 26 April. (Though this is old news, I think)
Quotes from Finnair Group Press Releases:
Finnair plans flights to Yekaterinburg - More flights to Moscow and St. Petersburg
Finnair is planning to begin scheduled flights next autumn from Helsinki to Yekaterinburg, located in the Urals. In air transport agreement negotiations between Russia and Finland it was also agreed that the number of Finnair and Aeroflot joint flights to and from Moscow will rise in April to four per day, and that the number of St. Petersburg flights operated by Finnair in cooperation with the airline Rossiya will rise to 22 per week.
Finnair plans to fly to Yekaterinburg three times per week. The city is the main centre of the Urals Federal District with good connections to all parts of the vast region of Siberia.
In 2009 the companies intend to fly between Helsinki and St. Petersburg four times per day, i.e. 28 times per week, similar to the arrangement between Helsinki and Moscow.
Mumbai & Hongkong (this one available in Finnish only at the moment)
- An additional weekly BOM flight (HEL-BOM Friday, BOM-HEL Saturday) starting 1st June 2008
- HEL-HKG-HEL goes daily starting 26 April. (Though this is old news, I think)
#28
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: HEL
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Chennai, Bangalore, Dallas, Houston
According to the Times Of India Finnair to expand to Chennai, Bangalore, Dallas and Houston.
Big plans - where to get the all the needed A/Cs?
Big plans - where to get the all the needed A/Cs?
Last edited by Q400; Mar 3, 2008 at 12:29 pm
#29
Join Date: Oct 2004
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According to the Times Of India Finnair to expand to Chennai, Bangalore, Dallas and Houston.
Big plans - where to get the all the needed A/Cs?
Big plans - where to get the all the needed A/Cs?
Why start new destinations when existing ones do not have enough capacity? Seoul needs to become daily ASAP, Beijing and Shanghai to get a second daily flight to separate biz and leisure pax, Tokyo to get any slots possible...
#30
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Join Date: Aug 2003
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Kiev
Starting next April AY will add a third weekly flight to Kiev. Together with the partner Ukraine International there will be six weekly flights with good connections to the afternoon Asia wawe.
Source: www.finnair.com
Source: www.finnair.com
In order to make this thread current I just add the information that has been discussed on other threads. Finnair has started codeshare flights with Icelandair (FI) to Reykjavik. BTW I like that Finnair has sticked to its traditional AY code (Aero O/Y) and did not choose to use FA (Finnair's subsidiary Finnaviation used that code). Icelandair's FI is also sometimes mistaken to be that of Finnair's.