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Finnair Plus to go spend-based and Avios [Implemented 9 march 2024]

Old Aug 18, 2023, 4:44 am
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Please note that this wiki may have outdated and incorrect info. It was created in a time when official and reliable information was scarce. Now there are a lot more info at https://www.finnair.com/fi-en/finnai...r-plus-changes which is where you should be looking.


What is spend actually?
Fare-component
Travel-extras*

*) Finnair.com says all add-ons are considered spend and linked listing includes hotels, cab and rentalcars. This is likely not true, but clarification is needed.


What is not spend?
"Taxes, fees and other airport- and servicefees"
On 2023-09-20 Finnair webpages changed to specify that everything under "Taxes, fees and charges" is considered not spend, expect something called "Extra fee". What this is and when it will be charged is unknown.



Award flights, regardless of how much you spend on add-ons, will give you zero spend and thus zero Avios and zero tierpoints.

Any spend onboard (eg food and drink items) are not considered spend with Finnair and earns zero.


Currency
Will spend be converted to EUR (or will there be earning tables in each currency)?
If you buy your flight tickets and travel extras in other currency than euro (for example, in USD, GBP or SEK), the total amount of your purchase (excluding taxes, other fees except for possible Extra fee, and other airport and service charges) will be first converted to euros and then multiplied with your tiers multiplier.

How will currency conversion be done (official exchange rates, IATA, Finnair internal?)
Needs clarification

When will currency conversion take place (time of purchase, time of point crediting, time of bookkeping)?
Needs clarification


Tiers

Tiers will have earning multipliers for AY spend - what are they?
Avios = spend x tier multiplier but the multiplying factor needs clarification
Basic 6x
Silver 7x
Gold 8x
Platinum 9x
Lumo 10x

Tiers will have multipliers for partner earnings tables - what are they?
They are said to be between 1,10 and 1,25 depending on tier. The exact multipliers are not disclosed, but likely they will continue as of today (silver 1,1, gold 1,15 and Platinum & lumo 1,25)
The wording on ay.com has changed. There is no longer a mention of tier multipliers for partners. Earning tables are still unknown, but wording on site now is
Tier point qualification and collecting loyalty currency on flights that are marketed or operated* by a partner airline, including Finnair codeshare flights, will continue to be based on the travel class, booking class and distance flown, but the distance flown will be changed from kilometres to miles.

Tiers will have new thresholds - what will they be?
Same TP requirement for reaching a tier and for renewing a tier.

Finnair Plus Silver 15 000
Finnair Plus Gold 45 000
Finnair Plus Platinum 80 000
Finnair Plus Platinum Lumo 300 000 (of which 250 000 collected from Finnair)

Lifetime tiers - what are their thresholds, how will previous lifetime tier points be accounted for?
Previuis lifetime total will be converted as 3:2.
New tiers are
Gold 2 000 000
Platinum 3 300 000


Tier points
TP is said to be 1:1 with Avios. Will this be true for avios/tp earned on all partner airlines?
Needs clarification

The change-over

When is the change-over done?
Needs clarification
Finnair has communicated different vague things, "early 2024" and "first half of 2024". They have said dates will be anounced "later in 2023".
Finnair have now said end of January as a change over date (also indicating change-over will take several days of processing). The final announcement is said to be 1 month in advance. At this point, we are looking at committing announcement during Christmas break.
Now the fixed date for the changeover is 9 March 2024

What will happen at change-over?
All existing AP and TP at that point will be reduced as 3:2 (-33%).
Tickets booked before change-over will earn according to old rules but with reduction 3:2 (-33%) - a table has been published with values seemingly rounded to nearest 10 avios.

Segment counter will be set to zero and disappear. Regardless of exact change-over date, this text from finnair.com indicates last evaluation will be held 31 January 2024:
In late January 2024, Finnair Plus program will become spend-based. Starting from 1 February 2024 it is not possible to reach tiers based on the number of flights only. At the same time, we will remove the number of flights from members Finnair Plus profile.Until then, we will count all the scheduled Finnair or other oneworld airlines flights that you have flown. If you have flown enough qualified flights or collected enough tier points by 31 January 2024 to renew your current tier, you will maintain your tier. Or, if you have flown enough qualified flights or collected enough tier points by 31 January 2024 to qualify for a higher tier, you will move up to a higher tier.
What will awards cost?
Needs clarification
Award charts are vaguely said to be reduced by 3:2 on average, but unclear if this Finnair charts or partner charts or a combination. Some charts are not easily reduced 3:2











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Finnair Plus to go spend-based and Avios [Implemented 9 march 2024]

Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:12 am
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It is frightening to see with what speed Finnair is doing everything to drive away its previous loyal flyers. The changes of the last months were already hard to swallow, but from now on Finnair can only use one argument to attract passengers to the long-haul J, the lowest price wins.

Good that my points account is empty, good that all flights for the future were booked as awards, good that I just booked with KLM.

I will certainly miss the friendly staff, and the Platinum Wing was always nice - but what the heck.
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:18 am
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I just got this from the email:

  • Your possibility to use Avios on award flights is improved: we will increase the number of Classic award seats and guarantee at least 4 award seats on Finnair flights within Europe and 8 on Finnair long-haul flights.*
Are there any guranteed award seats yet? If so why I can t book them if the cabin is completely empty? Because AY choose when they open up the "guaranteed awards" best at T 37

What a joke
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:23 am
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Initially positive about the change - I fly a lot of relatively expensive euro tickets for work and I would expect to even benefit from this

But then again lets wait and see what ay does with the avios per eur earnings ratio
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:24 am
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Originally Posted by florens
Ouch.
Originally Posted by kanamurva
This will change everything.
Originally Posted by BAeuro
Unfortunately this is the way every airline is going. Some good announcements included too such as lounges.
Originally Posted by intuition
Problem is, the avios crowd has billions to spend. QR joined avios earlier and all premium awards was hoovered in an instance.
not that ay is premium or anything but I imagine award seats will be even harder to get.
I'm sure they introduce a lot of novel redemtios though, that will help you waste points on pure nothing.
Only time will tell, but these things don't usually work out for the consumers.
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:24 am
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AY has become rather good on delivering ever deeper disappointments on their 100th year. Funny, here I thought this would be a year of celebration. Guess Topi didn't read the memo.
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:24 am
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Have to admire the AY "spin and propaganda" department. Plat milestone benefits have been there for ages (although I guess it's good if it now become "official") but that's not really an improvement at all. Also, the cost of upgrading from PE to J was lower already at 2 SH vouchers a pop before AY increased to 1LH voucher. Now they'll reduce it back to 2SH and try to market it as a benefits improvement?
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:25 am
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Looks like those who have already booked travel for 2024 are especially screwed? Imo, such a change would need to be announced at least 1+ year in advance.

Seems like they do convert existing tier points, but not for travel mid-2024. At least that's how I read it

We will convert all Finnair Plus members' tier point balances in early 2024 with a 3:2 ratio to correspond to the new tier limits
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:27 am
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Topi sold AY's soul to BA -crap. Nice way to celebrate 100 years.

Lets' play now nonstop The Door's The End
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:32 am
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AY introducing Avios
Now it's time to say Adios
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:33 am
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Here I was waiting for some great promotions like the 3x points promo or the "buy points until you are plat".

Now the only thing we get is further disappointments, as if we hadn't enough already this year. I guess it's "back to who's the cheapest" instead of trying to stay in that status game.
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:34 am
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I'll renew Plat this autumn with almost no Points remaining, only awards booked next year.
Enough time to decide further.
But I am sorry for the Benefits as OW traveller and the often good service.
(Right now in the Plat Wing after LH..... Sad.)
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:39 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
AY introducing Avios
Now it's time to say Adios
What I don t understand is that they are switching to Avios, and wanna become spend based, while BA tiers are not spend based as far as I remember. So I ll take my Avios to BA again, and got the Emerald on tier points. So where is the profit on AYs side? For me it makes no difference if I enter the Plat Wing on AY or BA status - but I guess it makes a difference for AY.
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:43 am
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Does anyone know how spend based earnings works on oneworld partners? AY gets how much you paid? Or do we get a partners earning table? 🤔
Edit. Obviously earning charts yet to come.
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by seldomrfly
Does anyone know how spend based earnings works on oneworld partners? AY gets how much you paid? Or do we get a partners earning table? 🤔
Partners and codeshares continue to earn through booking class.
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Old Aug 16, 2023, 2:47 am
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This includes when they shop online with thousands of leading brands via shopping.ba.com and with IAG Loyalty’s growing list of partners around the world that range from BP, Nectar, and Uber in the UK, Areas airport retail, and Cabify in Spain and Bilt in the US. 
Reading between the lines: so Topi is planning to sell AY to IAG?
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