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Finnair Plus to go spend-based and Avios [Implemented 9 march 2024]

Old Aug 18, 2023, 4:44 am
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Please note that this wiki may have outdated and incorrect info. It was created in a time when official and reliable information was scarce. Now there are a lot more info at https://www.finnair.com/fi-en/finnai...r-plus-changes which is where you should be looking.


What is spend actually?
Fare-component
Travel-extras*

*) Finnair.com says all add-ons are considered spend and linked listing includes hotels, cab and rentalcars. This is likely not true, but clarification is needed.


What is not spend?
"Taxes, fees and other airport- and servicefees"
On 2023-09-20 Finnair webpages changed to specify that everything under "Taxes, fees and charges" is considered not spend, expect something called "Extra fee". What this is and when it will be charged is unknown.



Award flights, regardless of how much you spend on add-ons, will give you zero spend and thus zero Avios and zero tierpoints.

Any spend onboard (eg food and drink items) are not considered spend with Finnair and earns zero.


Currency
Will spend be converted to EUR (or will there be earning tables in each currency)?
If you buy your flight tickets and travel extras in other currency than euro (for example, in USD, GBP or SEK), the total amount of your purchase (excluding taxes, other fees except for possible Extra fee, and other airport and service charges) will be first converted to euros and then multiplied with your tier’s multiplier.

How will currency conversion be done (official exchange rates, IATA, Finnair internal?)
Needs clarification

When will currency conversion take place (time of purchase, time of point crediting, time of bookkeping)?
Needs clarification


Tiers

Tiers will have earning multipliers for AY spend - what are they?
Avios = spend x tier multiplier but the multiplying factor needs clarification
Basic 6x
Silver 7x
Gold 8x
Platinum 9x
Lumo 10x

Tiers will have multipliers for partner earnings tables - what are they?
They are said to be between 1,10 and 1,25 depending on tier. The exact multipliers are not disclosed, but likely they will continue as of today (silver 1,1, gold 1,15 and Platinum & lumo 1,25)
The wording on ay.com has changed. There is no longer a mention of tier multipliers for partners. Earning tables are still unknown, but wording on site now is
Tier point qualification and collecting loyalty currency on flights that are marketed or operated* by a partner airline, including Finnair codeshare flights, will continue to be based on the travel class, booking class and distance flown, but the distance flown will be changed from kilometres to miles.

Tiers will have new thresholds - what will they be?
Same TP requirement for reaching a tier and for renewing a tier.

Finnair Plus Silver 15 000
Finnair Plus Gold 45 000
Finnair Plus Platinum 80 000
Finnair Plus Platinum Lumo 300 000 (of which 250 000 collected from Finnair)

Lifetime tiers - what are their thresholds, how will previous lifetime tier points be accounted for?
Previuis lifetime total will be converted as 3:2.
New tiers are
Gold 2 000 000
Platinum 3 300 000


Tier points
TP is said to be 1:1 with Avios. Will this be true for avios/tp earned on all partner airlines?
Needs clarification

The change-over

When is the change-over done?
Needs clarification
Finnair has communicated different vague things, "early 2024" and "first half of 2024". They have said dates will be anounced "later in 2023".
Finnair have now said end of January as a change over date (also indicating change-over will take several days of processing). The final announcement is said to be 1 month in advance. At this point, we are looking at committing announcement during Christmas break.
Now the fixed date for the changeover is 9 March 2024

What will happen at change-over?
All existing AP and TP at that point will be reduced as 3:2 (-33%).
Tickets booked before change-over will earn according to old rules but with reduction 3:2 (-33%) - a table has been published with values seemingly rounded to nearest 10 avios.

Segment counter will be set to zero and disappear. Regardless of exact change-over date, this text from finnair.com indicates last evaluation will be held 31 January 2024:
In late January 2024, Finnair Plus program will become spend-based. Starting from 1 February 2024 it is not possible to reach tiers based on the number of flights only. At the same time, we will remove the number of flights from members’ Finnair Plus profile.Until then, we will count all the scheduled Finnair or other oneworld airlines’ flights that you have flown. If you have flown enough qualified flights or collected enough tier points by 31 January 2024 to renew your current tier, you will maintain your tier. Or, if you have flown enough qualified flights or collected enough tier points by 31 January 2024 to qualify for a higher tier, you will move up to a higher tier.
What will awards cost?
Needs clarification
Award charts are vaguely said to be reduced by 3:2 on average, but unclear if this Finnair charts or partner charts or a combination. Some charts are not easily reduced 3:2











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Finnair Plus to go spend-based and Avios [Implemented 9 march 2024]

Old Aug 17, 2023, 9:32 am
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I don't care about award points or Avios. If they make it too difficult to gain status, there is no point for me to continue flying AY. Ryanair and AY light, what is the difference except price if you don't have status.
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
But BAEC and QRPC accounts are linked. Any avios in my BAEC account is visible in my QRPC account so there is no need to tranfer to QR anyway..
Weird - mine are linked as well,, but the Avios in one are not seen in the other. I had to move from BA to QR when I upgraded on my recent QR flights
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by lento
I don't care about award points or Avios. If they make it too difficult to gain status, there is no point for me to continue flying AY. Ryanair and AY light, what is the difference except price if you don't have status.
That’s a valid strategy - become a free agent fly and pay for what you actually need - lounge access, luggage, prio security, etc.

In the long run you might well come out ahead.
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by lento
I don't care about award points or Avios. If they make it too difficult to gain status, there is no point for me to continue flying AY. Ryanair and AY light, what is the difference except price if you don't have status.
Thats easy to say, FR is cheaper and you can buy anything for cheap as well.

Points, Avios, Vouchers been only lottery tickets in the past month, so where is the difference between loosing the game or don t play it.

Still good memories of AY, and looking forward to all of my future awards flights, non of them really a winner. But at least I can go to Helsinki seeing Michael Monroe and band.
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
Weird - mine are linked as well,, but the Avios in one are not seen in the other. I had to move from BA to QR when I upgraded on my recent QR flights
I think mine was like that too initially. Then they forced me to re-link a few weeks ago. I then moved all remaining points from QR to BA. I think QR showed zero then. But after some other points posted to BAEC, suddenly the full total was visible on QRPc
I checked again just now, and QR shows my BA total up front
I haven't tried to use points with QR though, so I don't know if that is just a summary display or if points actually can be used on QR without a new transfer
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 10:04 am
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I don’t understand this AY Avios / BA Avios / QR Avios thing. Sounds to me like there were Finnish Euros / Italian Euros / German Euros. Why bother? Isn’t the idea to combine and be big and efficient and to minimize FFP costs for the airlines?
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 10:51 am
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It’s more like having a Finnish, a German etc bank account - they are all € denominated, yet the services you receive (or don’t receive) are different - even within the same bank group.
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 12:20 pm
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Should we take a long and hard look at AS to use as the new OW programme?

Aside from the OW airlines, they are earn and burn partners with a bunch of airlines - https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...dID:MPPartners
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by intuition
I think mine was like that too initially. Then they forced me to re-link a few weeks ago. I then moved all remaining points from QR to BA. I think QR showed zero then. But after some other points posted to BAEC, suddenly the full total was visible on QRP
Wow, I now logged in to QRPC and can also see my BAEC saldo. Looks like I could use them right away without transferring the points.
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
That’s a valid strategy - become a free agent fly and pay for what you actually need - lounge access, luggage, prio security, etc.

In the long run you might well come out ahead.
Taking this thought further - ironically, this strategy might make Amex Plat a viable option for "free agents". Who would have thought!
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
Taking this thought further - ironically, this strategy might make Amex Plat a viable option for "free agents". Who would have thought!
Ha, yeah, very probable.
I am considering Amex again once I drop down from plat too, Lumo to zero hero here…some 100ish flights soon on my belt with ”wrong” airlines so someone else got my wallet this year and not moving back with latest news…BA perhaps if and just if😄
And cc going downhill too in Finland so well I am seeing my spend a lot on Strawberry mastercard nowadays ofc getting it from Sweden but hopefully that would come for finnish folks too
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 2:08 pm
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That is actually the best advise so far: AMEX Platinum. You pay a fixed fee and book whatever you like. No counting and paying for over priced tickets.
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 6:51 pm
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Just wondering - what does it mean for the small fish?
I'm Finnair Silver, do my 30 segments a year (status was just confirmed till August 2024).
I only need Silver for baggage basically - to keep flying with my usual 2 cabin bags while getting the cheapest ticket (and occasionally buying check-in baggage 50% cheaper under the new rules - as I rarely check in anything, used to be a good way to help someone I fly with save on baggage - everyone could get the cheapest possible ticket and I would just check the bag for free with my Silver).
I have 120K points, however..Is there any reason for me to worry about the Avios thing, send those points somewhere, do the BAEC thing?
Start booking things differently or with another airline card, as my new status period just started and I don't have any segments yet with Finnair in the current year?
Or doesn't it simply matter for someone with my profile?
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 11:35 pm
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How to interpret the current info, if one plans to renew plat on curren model -> doing it this year is safe. But if I book itienary for jan24, based on current tier point model, is there a risk that earnings from those flights would be based on price?
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Post Scriptum
How to interpret the current info, if one plans to renew plat on curren model -> doing it this year is safe. But if I book itienary for jan24, based on current tier point model, is there a risk that earnings from those flights would be based on price?
No, they mention on the website that all flights booked prior to the effective date will accrue by ticket type / booking class as usual.

I also doubt that the effective date would be in Jan 24.
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