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FRA-HEL zeroed out this Friday

FRA-HEL zeroed out this Friday

Old Jul 5, 22, 4:24 pm
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FRA-HEL zeroed out this Friday

So I'm supposed to fly FRA-HEL this Friday. Noticed both AY 1412 and 1416 are zeroed out. Pulled the seat maps on EF and noticed less than half of J seats had been assigned let alone in Y.

Is AY dumping the Friday flights or is the route really that full? Seems that the LH flights have plenty of room in Y still so seems really weird.
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Old Jul 5, 22, 4:26 pm
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Forget seat maps as most people should pay for a seat assignment, which they don't do.

Did you check HEL-FRA? If those are on sale, the flights should operate. If those are zeroed out, too, it sounds like CXL.
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Old Jul 5, 22, 11:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005 View Post
Did you check HEL-FRA? If those are on sale, the flights should operate. If those are zeroed out, too, it sounds like CXL.
I wouldn‘t assume nowadays that zeroed out flights are not operated. At least for now with AY. I noticed the same end of June with FRA, and flights were operated.
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Old Jul 5, 22, 11:28 pm
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As Lufthansa has stopped selling all but Y and J tickets there is a good chance Finnair will be flying very full flights to/from Germany in the near future.

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Old Jul 6, 22, 4:24 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005 View Post
Forget seat maps as most people should pay for a seat assignment, which they don't do.

Did you check HEL-FRA? If those are on sale, the flights should operate. If those are zeroed out, too, it sounds like CXL.
Good point. Seems like the inbounds are still on sale so I guess it's fairly safe to assume they are just simply sold out. Thanks all.

As J class pax get free seat selection at least I found it a tad weird that about 50% of the seats still show as available on the seat map. Then again it's not like there's a huge difference in J seats on intra EU flights...
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Old Jul 6, 22, 4:34 am
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Originally Posted by AnttiV View Post
As J class pax get free seat selection at least I found it a tad weird that about 50% of the seats still show as available on the seat map. Then again it's not like there's a huge difference in J seats on intra EU flights...
They dont get free seat assignments. Additionally, Id assume theres a certain pattern under which J is zeroed out if Y is x pax oversold.
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Old Jul 6, 22, 4:36 am
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Originally Posted by AnttiV View Post
Good point. Seems like the inbounds are still on sale so I guess it's fairly safe to assume they are just simply sold out. Thanks all.

As J class pax get free seat selection at least I found it a tad weird that about 50% of the seats still show as available on the seat map. Then again it's not like there's a huge difference in J seats on intra EU flights...
AY likes to oversell, so free J seats not mean much.
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Old Jul 6, 22, 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by Ed Size View Post
AY likes to oversell, so free J seats not mean much.
It is not AY, it is the airline industry.
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Old Jul 6, 22, 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by Steve_Hun View Post
It is not AY, it is the airline industry.
And AY is not part of that?

As far as I witnessed some airlines do it more, and AY is defently one of the airlines taking this to the max. But hey its always OK to sell a product you don t have, specially if the customer have to pay in advance. Its funny how much tolerance is there for bad behavior, If I would sell you something I don t have you would bring that case to court, and not saying "thats normal, everyone do so".
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Old Jul 6, 22, 8:02 am
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But hey its always OK to sell a product you don t have, specially if the customer have to pay in advance.
With EC261, there are always pax who are happy to get bumped from an oversold flight (and get compensated).
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Old Jul 6, 22, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by Ed Size View Post
AY likes to oversell, so free J seats not mean much.
Definitely they like to oversell. It is a status perk to get a seat on a sold out flight and pay whatever it takes to get on this flight.
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Old Jul 6, 22, 11:04 am
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I have rarely seen Finnair flights being oversold properly speaking. I have seen overbooking (often to my advantage as I tend to get opupped), but that does not necessarily mean oversell - it can simply mean that some distressed passengers were booked on already full flights or that equipment was unexpectedly changed for smaller capacity.

Do you base your assertion that Finnair likes to oversell on anything concrete?
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Old Jul 6, 22, 11:55 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch View Post
I have rarely seen Finnair flights being oversold properly speaking. I have seen overbooking (often to my advantage as I tend to get opupped), but that does not necessarily mean oversell - it can simply mean that some distressed passengers were booked on already full flights or that equipment was unexpectedly changed for smaller capacity.

Do you base your assertion that Finnair likes to oversell on anything concrete?
TLL regularly is oversold.
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Old Jul 6, 22, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Courmisch View Post
I have rarely seen Finnair flights being oversold properly speaking.
How and where You see if AY flight is oversold?
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Old Jul 7, 22, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
How and where You see if AY flight is oversold?
But that's exactly my point: if we have no numbers to look at, or better yet, compare with other airlines, then we can't affirm that Finnair oversells a lot or not.

Except when Finnair explicitly announces that the flight is overbooked, you don't know.

With that said, if your flight has been down-gauged, you will probably know. If your itinerary has been disrupted and you got wait-listed on a flight, you will probably know.

Also if your flight was overbooked due to some other rerouted passengers, you might be able to guess. For instance, I was gate-upgraded to J on HEL-PEK during the typhoon Jebi. There just so happened to be staff with signs for transit passengers to OSA at our arrival in PEK. I don't think that those were coincidences.
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