Impact of Russian airspace closure on Finnair
Jun 19, 22, 8:02 am
#256
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We've been through HNL so many times. Wouldn't this be the right moment for AY to try it out?
AY would operate the only nonstop flight from Europe to Hawaii. I am sure they could fill the planes, also in J, and charge good prices. A few months ago, hotels in Hawaii were incredibly expensive, though, because there was so much US Domestic demand. Is that still the case?
But would there be any cargo demand to/from HNL? That is an important factor to consider.
AY would operate the only nonstop flight from Europe to Hawaii. I am sure they could fill the planes, also in J, and charge good prices. A few months ago, hotels in Hawaii were incredibly expensive, though, because there was so much US Domestic demand. Is that still the case?
But would there be any cargo demand to/from HNL? That is an important factor to consider.
Jun 19, 22, 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
A few months ago, hotels in Hawaii were incredibly expensive, though, because there was so much US Domestic demand. Is that still the case?
Jun 19, 22, 9:04 am
#258
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Originally Posted by ffay005
While I'm of course not a friend of high prices, I have to say that if AY can get away with prices like these, then by all means, keep them high. AY needs all the cash they can get and if people are willing to pay, then there's nothing wrong in asking.
Jun 19, 22, 10:55 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
We've been through HNL so many times. Wouldn't this be the right moment for AY to try it out?
AY would operate the only nonstop flight from Europe to Hawaii. I am sure they could fill the planes, also in J, and charge good prices. A few months ago, hotels in Hawaii were incredibly expensive, though, because there was so much US Domestic demand. Is that still the case?
But would there be any cargo demand to/from HNL? That is an important factor to consider.
AY would operate the only nonstop flight from Europe to Hawaii. I am sure they could fill the planes, also in J, and charge good prices. A few months ago, hotels in Hawaii were incredibly expensive, though, because there was so much US Domestic demand. Is that still the case?
But would there be any cargo demand to/from HNL? That is an important factor to consider.
Jun 19, 22, 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by zxcv1
Very popular nowadays to travel HEL-MUC via DUB, and get ripped off in the process.
Funnily I‘d buy this for Light or Flex, but not for Classic.
03JUL22. But indeed, some kind of a network wide increased baseline pricing mode has been activated now.
Jun 19, 22, 11:59 am
#262
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Originally Posted by BAeuro
But if no other European airline can make it work, why would Finnair, and why now?
Firstly, all of Europe is suddenly travelling like there's no tomorrow. That means that most airlines suffer from a shortage of planes. AY doesn't – they have a surplus of planes because their main strategy is in ruins. China is closed, Japan is closed, Russian airspace is closed. I am sure it would be more profitable to send those widebodies once a day to PVG or NRT in normal times, but right now that is not an option. So to send them to HNL 0.75 times a day might be one of the best uses for them in the current situation.
Secondly, no European carrier has ever attempted a nonstop flight to Hawaii so we don't really know how much business it would attract. With good connections at HEL, AY would have hundreds of millions of potential customers.
Thirdly, with the prices quoted by Miamiflyer8, with the current competition of one-stop connections on the US mainland, I believe AY could set prices high enough for the upcoming winter season. Could be that this route would be just a one-season specialty, though.
Jun 19, 22, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by seldomrfly
I heard it was intentional. Prices were rised on friday. I'm looking at VAA-LHR. Cheapest I find in 2022 is 419€. 🤢
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Well, this will surely kill off the current demand.
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Well, this will surely kill off the current demand.
VAA - LHR 68,52€ + 30k AY+ points
Jun 20, 22, 1:41 am
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Originally Posted by TTL
Maldives and Seychelles !!!
In fact those are some of the few destinations that Finnair markets with purely QR metal.
Jun 20, 22, 2:19 am
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Somewhat surprisingly, the shortest way from Europe to HNL (except KEF)
HEL HNL 003° (N) 353° (N) 6,806 mi
STO HNL 356° (N) 349° (N) 6,871 mi
OSL HNL 350° (N) 345° (N) 6,782 mi
LHR HNL 338° (N) 338° (N) 7,237 mi
AMS HNL 343° (N) 341° (N) 7,256 mi
FRA HNL 347° (N) 344° (N) 7,450 mi
HEL HNL 003° (N) 353° (N) 6,806 mi
STO HNL 356° (N) 349° (N) 6,871 mi
OSL HNL 350° (N) 345° (N) 6,782 mi
LHR HNL 338° (N) 338° (N) 7,237 mi
AMS HNL 343° (N) 341° (N) 7,256 mi
FRA HNL 347° (N) 344° (N) 7,450 mi
Jun 20, 22, 3:40 am
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Originally Posted by TTL
Maldives and Seychelles !!!
Except for Ffay005, who travelled the world like crazy and experienced tourist-free megacities and rockbottom-priced five-star hotels.
Jun 20, 22, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
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But would there be any cargo demand to/from HNL? That is an important factor to consider.
But would there be any cargo demand to/from HNL? That is an important factor to consider.
Jun 20, 22, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
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Except for Ffay005, who travelled the world like crazy and experienced tourist-free megacities and rockbottom-priced five-star hotels.
Except for Ffay005, who travelled the world like crazy and experienced tourist-free megacities and rockbottom-priced five-star hotels.
Whish it was me though
Jun 20, 22, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by Steve_Hun
Well... Finns do love their pineapple
Sound almost dangerous to bring an full aircraft there, perhaps in the morning it is gone and gets chopped up into export items!
