Impact of Russian airspace closure on Finnair
Jun 11, 2022, 11:07 pm
#226
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Jun 12, 2022, 12:51 am
#228
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For personal reasons, I'd hope they'd find a way to manage to run MIA year-round. AA hub with excellent connections to the Caribbean, Central and South America so perhaps with proper marketing it could be done.
Jun 12, 2022, 1:34 am
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Jun 12, 2022, 1:59 am
#230
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At JFK and LAX AA, in LAX also AS, are big enough that there will be connections any time of the day.
I've envied when looking at AA departures in MIA and the huge number of destinations in the areas you mentioned. However for many of the destinations they only have flights in the morning or early afternoon out of MIA, which wouldn't work well with connections from Europe.
I've envied when looking at AA departures in MIA and the huge number of destinations in the areas you mentioned. However for many of the destinations they only have flights in the morning or early afternoon out of MIA, which wouldn't work well with connections from Europe.
Jun 12, 2022, 2:51 am
#231
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At JFK and LAX AA, in LAX also AS, are big enough that there will be connections any time of the day.
I've envied when looking at AA departures in MIA and the huge number of destinations in the areas you mentioned. However for many of the destinations they only have flights in the morning or early afternoon out of MIA, which wouldn't work well with connections from Europe.
I've envied when looking at AA departures in MIA and the huge number of destinations in the areas you mentioned. However for many of the destinations they only have flights in the morning or early afternoon out of MIA, which wouldn't work well with connections from Europe.
Jun 12, 2022, 5:14 am
#232
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I'd love it as well, but connections will be impractical for those without Global Entry, I don't know how I used to live without it...
Jun 12, 2022, 6:30 pm
#233
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Despite a couple of recent BKK-EDI returns with AY in J, I can definitely see me going back to the ME airlines once post covid service is fully resumed. The product is a step up from Finnair and the break half way is much more welcome than one a couple of hours into the flight or with just a couple of hours to go, for me anyway. Finnair can only ever win on price, and everyone's prices are nuts at the moment.
Jun 12, 2022, 11:56 pm
#234
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TBH: When all other things are equal, I prefer to have flights taking 12+ hours, vs. 8 hours or even worse 2x 6 hours (and kicked out of the aircraft in the middle of the night). Even when a AY flight would cost some EUR 200 more than a shorter one, the AY would be my preference. Granted, I fly J class, so for economy, this balance would be different.
And, yep, I booked AY, when the flight time EU-Asia was much shorter, though at that moment, AY was the only (OW) option available, due to Covid-19 restrictions (and a little later, I had to move my flight forward some 9 months anyway).
For the bling-bling ME3, getting kicked out of the aircraft in the middle of the night, having a mediocre bling-bling lounge, the size of a stadium, being served by people who live/work in slave-labor conditions, it's never going to be my party, both for practical and Humane considerations.
And, yep, I booked AY, when the flight time EU-Asia was much shorter, though at that moment, AY was the only (OW) option available, due to Covid-19 restrictions (and a little later, I had to move my flight forward some 9 months anyway).
For the bling-bling ME3, getting kicked out of the aircraft in the middle of the night, having a mediocre bling-bling lounge, the size of a stadium, being served by people who live/work in slave-labor conditions, it's never going to be my party, both for practical and Humane considerations.
All that being said, my trips back and forth to Europe in 2020 and most of 2021 was just not possible on European airlines. It was fine if you were going to one of the hubs, but trying to connect to Copenhagen was a nightmare. Once my option to go via Helsinki would have been to book a separate ticket SK flight at between 6am and 7am to catch the afternoon departure to Tokyo. And then let's not talk about the absurd prices charged out of Japan by European and Japanese airlines, economy class frequently between 300,000 and 400,000 yen, and then adding at least one separate ticket to be able to get to Copenhagen.
Qatar Airways was just reliability itself in that period, and usually J priced just below 300,000 yen. I did check with European and Japanese airlines every time, but they were clearly not interested in my business.
(let's not get in to what the EU airlines served to their passengers in 2020 and 2021)
The Qatar Airways timing from Tokyo apart from the detour works quite well. But with the current detour around Russia not that much of a difference right now. And the pricing is still absurd on the non middle east carriers.
Jun 13, 2022, 5:51 am
#235
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Despite a couple of recent BKK-EDI returns with AY in J, I can definitely see me going back to the ME airlines once post covid service is fully resumed. The product is a step up from Finnair and the break half way is much more welcome than one a couple of hours into the flight or with just a couple of hours to go, for me anyway. Finnair can only ever win on price, and everyone's prices are nuts at the moment.
In Y 6+6 hrs is definitely better than 2+11 hrs.
Having said that, ex-EDI the ME3 might actually be a better option these days.
Jun 14, 2022, 7:14 am
#236
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QR are the only ME option currently from EDI, but I've got some points to burn with them so I might be back on them sooner rather than later.
Jun 14, 2022, 7:21 am
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Jun 14, 2022, 1:53 pm
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Jun 14, 2022, 2:07 pm
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