Impact of Russian airspace closure on Finnair
Mar 9, 2022, 11:19 am
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On22zz is right. However, AY doesn’t give a rodent’s behind about EC261. They will make up any rules they like, and there’s very little you can do to make them change their mind, unfortunately.
Your best bet would be to press them to give you seats on the flight to NRT. No availability in X/U is needed. Try a new agent.
Your best bet would be to press them to give you seats on the flight to NRT. No availability in X/U is needed. Try a new agent.
Mar 9, 2022, 12:38 pm
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So the (twice) daily trains from St Petersburg to Helsinki are only available to people from Finland or Russia? They seem full as is -- in the direction of Helsinki -- but given the airspace closure and increased demand to take the train, will VR(+RR) up it to at least three per day soon? I would assume that a bunch of those train passengers may be in the market to fly AY. Is there some kind of AY+VR cooperation?
Most trains between Russia and the EU are cancelled. Isn't the train between St. Petersburg and Helsinki in fact the only train line between Russia and the EU which is currently operating?
It might be possible to walk across the border between Ivangorod in Russia and Narva and Estonia. Trains and flights seem to be operating between Russia and Belarus, so it might also be possible to walk across the border between Brest in Belarus and Terespol in Poland. You'll have to look up entry rules for all routes and then hopefully find that you can use at least one route.
Mar 9, 2022, 12:50 pm
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Mar 9, 2022, 11:47 pm
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I say things are a bit more complicated than in the 80's. Apparently there is a NOTAM regarding GPS anomalies around Kaliningrad. And Savonlinna can't land planes at all.
Mar 10, 2022, 12:06 am
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Mar 10, 2022, 12:35 am
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Mar 10, 2022, 2:25 am
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Even with GPS anomalies, planes can still be navigated.
Mar 10, 2022, 2:46 am
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Yeah, they can navigate, but it is indicative these disruptions occurs. Mordor has a history of disrupting and spoofing signals, including GLONASS.
And yes, it seems they are themselves using Loran as in the ancient Chayka based on LORAN-C from 1957. The internetz says they also have a newer hush-hush Loran implementation called skorpion
And yes, it seems they are themselves using Loran as in the ancient Chayka based on LORAN-C from 1957. The internetz says they also have a newer hush-hush Loran implementation called skorpion
Mar 10, 2022, 3:34 am
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Whether it's solar-emitted electromagnetic radiation or deliberate signal jamming causing the GPS disruptions, there was some mention of GPS disruption taking place around some parts of Finland's eastern borders too.
Mar 10, 2022, 4:32 am
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Yeah, that would be Nyslott (Savonlinna).
As for solar emitted disruption or other causes, Marin said Finland had no indications of the origin, but promised to disclose any findings.
I read Norway experienced similar issues where rescue missions in the north east had been mislead.
As for solar emitted disruption or other causes, Marin said Finland had no indications of the origin, but promised to disclose any findings.
I read Norway experienced similar issues where rescue missions in the north east had been mislead.
Mar 10, 2022, 6:46 am
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Guys I need some advise, its just a guessing game. But I'm in HKG and booked on Finnair June 10th to ARN and then back on July 16th. Due to quarantine hotel booking Im quite keen to make sure I have a decent flight on July 16th at least (need to arrive July 17th back to HKG). What's the probability Finnair will run these flights?
I have the opportunity to snatch Cathay flights HKG - FRA on same dates using AsiaMiles in Premium Economy, should I double book and assume Finnair is gonner before the Asia miles tickets are a gonner too?
I have the opportunity to snatch Cathay flights HKG - FRA on same dates using AsiaMiles in Premium Economy, should I double book and assume Finnair is gonner before the Asia miles tickets are a gonner too?