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Old Oct 1, 2020, 12:32 am
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Will Finland shut down domestic travel (except leisure boats) once Finland goes above 25?
Don't you give ideas! Though it's nothing new, cf the blockade of Nyland/Uusimaa last spring.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 9:12 am
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Ahem. If the point was actually to nudge choices of travel destination toward areas not significantly riskier than Finland, the metric would have been an affine function of incidence in Finland, not a fixed value.

For instance: 10 + 1.5 X where X is Finland's incidence.

But the point is most definitely to discourage international travel at all. So then having a fixed limit makes "sense" even if Finland exceeds it.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Ahem. If the point was actually to nudge choices of travel destination toward areas not significantly riskier than Finland, the metric would have been an affine function of incidence in Finland, not a fixed value.
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Unless someone though "Finlands number will never raise significantly because we are managing this so well". And that is not that far fetched.

The wording indicated the belief that Finland would not exceed 25:
"Green - The risk of infection is not significantly higher than in Finland", based on incidence below fixed number 25.

I think they haggled their way to 25. "We need a number high enough to allow a lot of countries and low enough so we can claim it is not significantly higher than our own"

Also, incidence is not the sole factor in risk of getting infected. Think Leper colony.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 11:59 am
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never mind, what I tried to ask about didnt post when usng Quote so my question wont make sense
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Originally Posted by intuition
Unless someone though "Finlands number will never raise significantly because we are managing this so well". And that is not that far fetched.
That trick only works once, and they used it in June by going for a limit of 8, instead of the EU recommendation of 16.

AFAIU, the argument now is rather that 25 is just a temporary limit for the transitional period until the testing regime is implemented.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 12:27 pm
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But the point is most definitely to discourage international travel at all. So then having a fixed limit makes "sense" even if Finland exceeds it.
I thought that the idea was to pour money into leisure boat rental firms in border areas.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:16 pm
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I thought that the idea was to pour money into leisure boat rental firms in border areas.
To be sure, leisure boat arrivals are allowed from the whole Schengen (or EU?) area - so one can start rowing in Innsbruck or in Porto and enter Finland without issues
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
To be sure, leisure boat arrivals are allowed from the whole Schengen (or EU?) area ...
Except Åland!
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Are you serious?
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
Are you serious?
It's just a running joke as Åland is colored gray (= no entry from outside EU) on THL maps. Leisure boat travel is unrestricted from all Schengen countries.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
Are you serious?
Deadly serious...
I pledge allegiance to the almighty THL which has declared Åland as outside the Schengen border. Since this newly born non-schengen nation is not on EU's green list Raja must protect against any freedom rowers!
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Timatic says that transit is permitted for nationals of various European countries returning via Finland to their country of residence. So it should work for a Dane living in the U.S. to go CPH-HEL-JFK. But what about JFK-HEL-CPH?
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Old Oct 2, 2020, 4:17 pm
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Timatic says that transit is permitted for nationals of various European countries returning via Finland to their country of residence. So it should work for a Dane living in the U.S. to go CPH-HEL-JFK. But what about JFK-HEL-CPH?
CPH-HEL-JFK and JFK-HEL-CPH both seem to be permitted.

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Old Oct 2, 2020, 7:09 pm
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Originally Posted by vanillabean
Timatic says that transit is permitted for nationals of various European countries returning via Finland to their country of residence. So it should work for a Dane living in the U.S. to go CPH-HEL-JFK. But what about JFK-HEL-CPH?
This will be fine both ways. But there are no flights HEL-JFK-HEL at the moment.
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Old Oct 4, 2020, 1:16 am
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Originally Posted by avermat
It's just a running joke as Åland is colored gray (= no entry from outside EU) on THL maps. Leisure boat travel is unrestricted from all Schengen countries.
The detachement of Åland from Finland is apparently because THL is using the free tier of german service datawrapper.de.
While the tool is handy the GIS data they provide for free is not perfect. You can upload your own GIS-data, and surely such data is readily available inside government, but I guess it falls outside THL area of expertise.

Funnily, Gotska Sandön is correctly coded (as SE) and Åland is 35x times bigger so I wonder how it fell off the map. I wonder where the data came from. I guess there are a few places you can pull data from where you could easily miss Åland. For example it has a limited independence and is military free and has its own TLD, so it probably has its own GIS-data in such descriptions. Åland is EU and schengen area based on the Ålandsprotokoll (incuding tax excemptions and rules regarding who can own land) so perhaps GIS-data from EU also codes Åland separately from Finland.
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