FFlash

I bet You have been in FINLAND for quite a while.

ff_flyer

Ever thought of a possibility of AY adding another accrual range between European and Long Haul traffic types, ie 5 ranges instead of current 4?
Domestic => Nordic => Europe => Mid Range => Long Haul
Middle East destinations and possibly DEL shifted somewhere between current EU and LH accrual tables.

seldomrfly

New AY ticket types seems to be the topic.
I doubt much changes in accrual, changes in whats defined as SH and LH destionations and such. I doubt much changes in J tickets too.

What do you guys think of a new type of Y CHEAP? Only a personal item. No hand baggage, like recent changes on other LCCs.

Or PE Shorthaul. Replacing Seat&Meal concept?

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Superrman

If 100/200% earning becomes a lot more expensive (and also the high likelyhood of Y->J upgrade becoming more difficult once PE is introduced), crediting to AY+ certainly becomes much less of a sweet spot for me. Might go back to *A only. Who knows.

intuition

OK, I get it.
(Lower price is my assumption as I can't see them getting away with hiding a price hike inside the new system of a base fare plus ancillary for adding back normal services)

They kind of had a similar thing before, where redemption for medium longhaul (NA, China, ...) was cheaper than the longest routes (Japan, Singapore, ...)
Personally, I think making it more complex is bad. Actually, ticket types and all the packetizing is all about making it easy. One moniker tells you everything (pricepoint, services, earnings, ...)

If they want to compete on price alone, they need to decouple to the extreme similar to LCCs. So I would not be surprised if light or whatever the worst type is called has further services stripped away.

intuition

The internets (in this case a.k.a. easy) actually says more interesting things on that topic:
Ie it is absolutely clear that they will start segmenting the business class offer, providing a different set of services in each ticket type.

NoWindowSeat

My guess is that the cheapest biz tickets cannot be changed even with a hefty fee. Same as Y basic now.

ff_flyer

Yep, non-changeable, non-refundable, no checked baggage and no (free) seat selection with 25% reduced accrual factor. Pricing still a mystery but no high hopes of seeing lowered fares.
Ex EU Longhaul yields 37500 compared to 50000 (with Plat bonus)
EDIT: curious to see how much the seat selection as ancillary will cost when current Economy Comfort is around 125€,

intuition

I too think that they won't stop at making it unflex. Bag allowance, seat selection are likely targets, because they have put much money into developing the site selling this stuff.
And each new tickettype will probably include/exclude much the same things regardless of COS. LIght is unflex without bags et.c across all cabins.

One interesting question arises. Will an upgrade always book into J light (ie you might lose some perks when upgrading) or will a Y skimpy upgrade into J skimpy?

NoWindowSeat

No doubts about that, those are just too minor things in my mind, I very rarely care if there are bags included or not, so didn’t even bother mentioning. Hard core non-flexibility is big deal to me so highlighted that thought.

I trust that status pax will still get to keep one bag and seat selection.

Trav1970

Non changeable tickets is another red flag for me. I am OK paying a change fee for the cheaper J tickets (as I have done so many times), but a completely inflexible J ticket is simply not acceptable. In Y, the recourse is to simply buy a new ticket, but with the price levels of J tickets, this is commercially not viable.

ffay005

I don't believe in this concept for legacy carriers. They try to imitate LCCs, but even if they strip everything away from you, they still have their high legacy operating costs. You get a ryanairesque experience, but the costs for the carrier are not ryanairesque.

And how would it impact loyalty if you try to sell these rock-bottom tickets and put your Plats in Group 9, deny them seat selection and a cabin bag and don't allow them to use prio scurity or visit a lounge? OTOH, if you allow them these things even on the cheapo tickets, then you also have all the costs that these incur.

It just doesn't work out. Let LCCs be LCCs and legacy carriers be legacy carriers.

Ed Size

None of the legacy carriers understand that they canīt just copy the ideas of LCCs without losing much more then wining - they may gain some more turnover - but losing most (if not all) loyality. Out there you have loyal *A, OW or AY, BA, LH customers - but you wonīt find a loyal FR, U2 or W6 customer - they only stay loyal if the airlines fly the needed routes for the lowest prices.

As a loyal customer you sometimes find yourself in a situation where you just don t understand why you do some of the stupid things you do - and then the answer is "Oh I just want to keep my status" - Something most of the LCCs customers even know about.

FFlash

I am loyal to Easyjet, Reijoair, Wizzair only when they fly me anywhere by max 29€ per segment. Even then I check carefully if the timetable is right and if I really need and want to go.

Ed Size

And this is what happens if a legacy carierer goes lcc - so they will start selling a lot of 29€ segments - but will have problems to fill their premium cabin. I did a few trips on FR during the last 12 month - everytime when it came to seat selection I could choose the seat of my choice - it was 1A and 1B on 8 flights and I could possible choose all other seats in row 1 as well as I could choose all of the emergency exit seats - which gave me the feeling that lcc customers don t want to pay for "luxury" - and we are talking about flying times between three and four hours ow.

For me this all looks like a management trick. The industry discovered the upsell revenue - so they need to create something they actually can sell and create extra revenue. So when in the future the revenue from the tickets go down they can say "Yes but we created this wonderful aditional revenue - which without our super management skills wouldn t be there - so we need a bigger bonus".