(not) cleared Upgrades
Dec 12, 2019, 12:45 am
#91
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum (OWE), SK G(*G), BW Diamond
Posts: 810
T-120 went by, no changes, called CS and no success either. What is worrying that plane is downgraded to low-J configuration, so likelihood of U has likely decreased a lot. Next check at T-90
Dec 14, 2019, 1:04 am
#92
Join Date: Jun 2015
Programs: AY+, SK EB
Posts: 2,959
HEL-AGP
Passengers: 1
Status: Gold
Upgrade instrument: Voucher
Time of upgrade request: T-25
Request-method: App
Upgrade cleared: T-10
FRA-HEL
Passengers: 1
Status: Gold
Upgrade instrument: Voucher
Time of upgrade request: T-25
Request-method: App
Upgrade cleared: T-20
Passengers: 1
Status: Gold
Upgrade instrument: Voucher
Time of upgrade request: T-25
Request-method: App
Upgrade cleared: T-10
FRA-HEL
Passengers: 1
Status: Gold
Upgrade instrument: Voucher
Time of upgrade request: T-25
Request-method: App
Upgrade cleared: T-20
Dec 16, 2019, 5:29 am
#93
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Helsinki
Programs: AY Platinum, IHG Gold, Diners
Posts: 1,276
MIA-HEL did not clear for my family at T-37h. In total 3 persons (2 reservations, 2+1), where the one was using my voucher and the two others were spouse awards. Sucks big time.
Still need to call them to hear if this is the final verdict. Also gives us some luggage issues. I have a MIA-HEL-ARN ticket, but luggage should only be checked to HEL. The family has tickets to HEL, but an allowance of only one checked bag, which isn’t enough. Can my allowance be used?
Still need to call them to hear if this is the final verdict. Also gives us some luggage issues. I have a MIA-HEL-ARN ticket, but luggage should only be checked to HEL. The family has tickets to HEL, but an allowance of only one checked bag, which isn’t enough. Can my allowance be used?
Dec 16, 2019, 5:43 am
#94
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Programs: Finnair (AY) Platinum, Air France Silver, Tallink Club One Silver :)
Posts: 1,655
MIA-HEL did not clear for my family at T-37h. In total 3 persons (2 reservations, 2+1), where the one was using my voucher and the two others were spouse awards. Sucks big time.
Still need to call them to hear if this is the final verdict. Also gives us some luggage issues. I have a MIA-HEL-ARN ticket, but luggage should only be checked to HEL. The family has tickets to HEL, but an allowance of only one checked bag, which isn’t enough. Can my allowance be used?
Still need to call them to hear if this is the final verdict. Also gives us some luggage issues. I have a MIA-HEL-ARN ticket, but luggage should only be checked to HEL. The family has tickets to HEL, but an allowance of only one checked bag, which isn’t enough. Can my allowance be used?
Dec 16, 2019, 6:24 am
#95
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,174
Dec 16, 2019, 7:11 am
#96
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Helsinki
Programs: AY Platinum, IHG Gold, Diners
Posts: 1,276
Ok. Calling didn’t help. I’m pretty sure two lucky ones got upgrades. Yesterday evening bcd availability showed 3 seats (I know, it’s not the whole
truth) in business, one in economy. Now it is 3 in economy and one in business.
My wife decided to spend 9k points on one additional piece of luggage. She has one as Gold. So that’s two, which should be enough.
My conclusion of this whole ordeal: Fly alone, or travel with your family in Economy. AY upgrades don’t work for a party larger than two.
truth) in business, one in economy. Now it is 3 in economy and one in business.
My wife decided to spend 9k points on one additional piece of luggage. She has one as Gold. So that’s two, which should be enough.
My conclusion of this whole ordeal: Fly alone, or travel with your family in Economy. AY upgrades don’t work for a party larger than two.
Dec 16, 2019, 7:49 am
#97
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY, SK, TK
Posts: 7,598
Ok. Calling didn’t help. I’m pretty sure two lucky ones got upgrades. Yesterday evening bcd availability showed 3 seats (I know, it’s not the whole
truth) in business, one in economy. Now it is 3 in economy and one in business.
My wife decided to spend 9k points on one additional piece of luggage. She has one as Gold. So that’s two, which should be enough.
My conclusion of this whole ordeal: Fly alone, or travel with your family in Economy. AY upgrades don’t work for a party larger than two.
truth) in business, one in economy. Now it is 3 in economy and one in business.
My wife decided to spend 9k points on one additional piece of luggage. She has one as Gold. So that’s two, which should be enough.
My conclusion of this whole ordeal: Fly alone, or travel with your family in Economy. AY upgrades don’t work for a party larger than two.
Nowadays with the new upgrade system I would not agree to bet on upgrades for a big group and this disturbs me too.
Dec 16, 2019, 9:41 pm
#101
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 938
Airlines do not make that information publicly available. Seat maps are a completely unreliable source of flight loads. EF data shows how many seats at least are available in each different booking class (and the availability may differ for various points-of-sale). The real number of vacant seats on the flight could be more or it could be less because airlines overbook.
Dec 17, 2019, 1:47 am
#102
Join Date: Mar 2018
Programs: AY+ Platinum / FlyingBlue Gold
Posts: 835
How do you know there are 8 seats left in J?
Airlines do not make that information publicly available. Seat maps are a completely unreliable source of flight loads. EF data shows how many seats at least are available in each different booking class (and the availability may differ for various points-of-sale). The real number of vacant seats on the flight could be more or it could be less because airlines overbook.
Airlines do not make that information publicly available. Seat maps are a completely unreliable source of flight loads. EF data shows how many seats at least are available in each different booking class (and the availability may differ for various points-of-sale). The real number of vacant seats on the flight could be more or it could be less because airlines overbook.
Dec 17, 2019, 2:09 am
#103
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Switzerland
Programs: AY Platinum Lumo, LX Senator, SK Life-time Gold, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 282
ZRH-HEL-ZRH
Passengers: 1
Status: Lumo
Upgrade instrument: Voucher
Time of upgrade request: T-244 / T-238
Request-method: Upgrade tool
Upgrade cleared: directly
I already booked some flights for next summer (August 2020) and noticed that there is good upgrade availability based on the upgrade tool. Both ways cleared directly, no wait list involved. I now have 15 forthcoming segments booked for which I have requested an upgrade (13 short-haul, 2 long-haul) and 14 out of the 15 have already cleared, only one wait listed. Much better than what this seemed to become based on the recent discussions here.
Passengers: 1
Status: Lumo
Upgrade instrument: Voucher
Time of upgrade request: T-244 / T-238
Request-method: Upgrade tool
Upgrade cleared: directly
I already booked some flights for next summer (August 2020) and noticed that there is good upgrade availability based on the upgrade tool. Both ways cleared directly, no wait list involved. I now have 15 forthcoming segments booked for which I have requested an upgrade (13 short-haul, 2 long-haul) and 14 out of the 15 have already cleared, only one wait listed. Much better than what this seemed to become based on the recent discussions here.
Dec 17, 2019, 2:09 am
#104
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: try to stay home
Programs: AY, M&M, BAEC ...and don t care of status anymore
Posts: 2,042
Hm, why does the actual load ist often exactly like what I can see on EF or the AY seat map? Specially in J it makes no sense if seats are shown available - if they are not. And with any J booking on AY I always get a seat assigned, so seat maps are a pretty good guess and not completely unreliable. The only thing yo don t see on the seat map are the upgrades because of the overbooking situation in Y and people who are allowed to travel in J class but don t need a regular ticket for this.
Dec 17, 2019, 6:03 am
#105
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum, TK Elite, BT VIP, AA, BA, SK, DL, NT, WB + hotels
Posts: 8,749
Not everyone gets seats auto-assigned. If you book via OTA, or if you are on a codeshare, for instance. So it can very well be that the seat map shows 10 empty seats, while availability in reality is 2.
Availability tools never show more than 9 seats for any buckets, so J9 will only tell you there are at least 9 seats available, but it could be anything from 9 to 46. On the other hand, as J is the highest bucket, J3 should, in theory, mean that there are only 3 empty seats. But even this is more complicated. There might be seats reserved for codeshare partners, there might be seats reserved for Aurinkomatkat, there might be blokced seats because Y is so heavily overbooked that they will need to op-up, etc.
Availability tools never show more than 9 seats for any buckets, so J9 will only tell you there are at least 9 seats available, but it could be anything from 9 to 46. On the other hand, as J is the highest bucket, J3 should, in theory, mean that there are only 3 empty seats. But even this is more complicated. There might be seats reserved for codeshare partners, there might be seats reserved for Aurinkomatkat, there might be blokced seats because Y is so heavily overbooked that they will need to op-up, etc.
