Widebodies on non-longhaul flights
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Jul 24, 19, 1:58 pm
#46
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
removal of bags of customers not eligible for international transit through UK airports.
or do you mean some passengers arrive without the right paperwork to transit through UK airports and their luggage has to be removed, slowing down the luggage of the other passengers (surely this doesn't happen that often?)
Jul 24, 19, 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by florens
Not sure what you mean by the eligibility for international transit in UK airports. 
https://www.gov.uk/transit-visa/dire...e-transit-visa
As this discussion demonstrates, this is not well-known, and leads to occasional denied boardings at HEL. That and people who just did not get a visa to enter the UK or Ireland.
Jul 24, 19, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Between the removal of bags of customers not eligible for international transit through UK airports.
Jul 24, 19, 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by florens
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Not sure what you mean by the eligibility for international transit in UK airports.[/left]
Not sure what you mean by the eligibility for international transit in UK airports.
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Jul 24, 19, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
How their bags are loaded if they do not have visa to enter UK ?
It's happened to me (to mainland China).
Jul 24, 19, 4:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
The UK requires visa even for international-international air transit:
https://www.gov.uk/transit-visa/dire...e-transit-visa
As this discussion demonstrates, this is not well-known, and leads to occasional denied boardings at HEL. That and people who just did not get a visa to enter the UK or Ireland.
https://www.gov.uk/transit-visa/dire...e-transit-visa
As this discussion demonstrates, this is not well-known, and leads to occasional denied boardings at HEL. That and people who just did not get a visa to enter the UK or Ireland.
Jul 25, 19, 12:33 am
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Originally Posted by flyingeph12
I would find it hard to believe that AY does not check visas at check-in if you're traveling with a passport that requires a visa.
TSA is stringent here and self-service bag drop is not available for flights to the US.
Jul 25, 19, 1:04 am
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Originally Posted by r2d2
If you do self-service check-in, nobody will check your visa before the gate. Even bags can be left without a visa check at the self-service bag drop.
TSA is stringent here and self-service bag drop is not available for flights to the US.
TSA is stringent here and self-service bag drop is not available for flights to the US.
Also, what would prompt a gate agent to check for a visa on a HEL-LHR flight—and whatever that alert is, why doesn't it come up when the passenger tries to check in, even if online? I would guess that the majority, if not most, passengers on a regular HEL-LHR flight do not require a visa to get on the plane. Any passengers connecting from a country that would require a visa should have had their visas checked at their point of origin, no? And how many people originating in HEL need a visa to enter or transit the UK?
Jul 25, 19, 1:50 am
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Originally Posted by flyingeph12
I would find it hard to believe that AY does not check visas at check-in if you're traveling with a passport that requires a visa. Often times, visas are checked at boarding, but that doesn't mean that's the only time visas are checked. Also, I don't think flights to LHR generally have a visa check (at least as far as I recall), so this issue should be caught at check-in in any event.
One thing I can think of is that European residents do not need either passport or visa for a Schengen trip. ID cards are rarely checked for such trips. If this trips has airside transit in e.g. LHR, and the resident does not hold a Schengen passport, then suddenly there is a visa problem.
Jul 25, 19, 2:15 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
One thing I can think of is that European residents do not need either passport or visa for a Schengen trip. ID cards are rarely checked for such trips. If this trips has airside transit in e.g. LHR, and the resident does not hold a Schengen passport, then suddenly there is a visa problem.
Jul 25, 19, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
AY1331 HEL-LHR 27OCT19-28MAR20 retimed to 07:50-09.10
Jul 25, 19, 3:00 am
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Originally Posted by lkrt
I'm not sure I understood right, but all LHR flights require ID card / passport control for immigration purposes and also airlines require it. So how would you fly into LHR then?
This is rather far-fetched, but I am thinking perhaps you are able to fly e.g. OUL-HEL-LHR-MAD and you might be able to drop bags on the first flight, having them checked to final? If so, bags would be cleared but passenger is trapped in immigrations at HEL.
For a OUL-HEL-MAD flight there is no need for a visa, or even a passport, so I could see this beeing overlooked at bag-drop for the first itinerary.
(I am only trying to find a scenario where the issue talked about may occur. I agree with Courmisch the transit visa is not well known, but struggling to find actual cases where this will mean bag en-masse is being offloaded at HEL)
Jul 25, 19, 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
This is rather far-fetched, but I am thinking perhaps you are able to fly e.g. OUL-HEL-LHR-MAD and you might be able to drop bags on the first flight, having them checked to final? If so, bags would be cleared but passenger is trapped in immigrations at HEL.
For a OUL-HEL-MAD flight there is no need for a visa, or even a passport, so I could see this beeing overlooked at bag-drop for the first itinerary.
(I am only trying to find a scenario where the issue talked about may occur. I agree with Courmisch the transit visa is not well known, but struggling to find actual cases where this will mean bag en-masse is being offloaded at HEL)
For a OUL-HEL-MAD flight there is no need for a visa, or even a passport, so I could see this beeing overlooked at bag-drop for the first itinerary.
(I am only trying to find a scenario where the issue talked about may occur. I agree with Courmisch the transit visa is not well known, but struggling to find actual cases where this will mean bag en-masse is being offloaded at HEL)
Jul 25, 19, 3:32 am
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Originally Posted by flyingeph12
And of course, it also needs to be the case that the person originating in OUL needs a visa to transit LHR. A person with an EU passport wouldn't need a visa.
Jul 25, 19, 4:00 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
Hence the first comment that this visa requirement is relatively unknown as people assumes everyone with permanent residency in Europe also holds a European passport...
