Premium economy coming spring 2022
Nov 6, 2018, 11:21 am
#31
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Unless regular Y falls in price, I don't think 900€ is a realistic price in PEY at all.
BRU-HKG basic fare is 585. Comfort seats (LH) + seat&meal (SH) adds 260€, so 845€. Value ticket adds another 45€, ie 890€.
If they will charge the same for a new PEY class as the charge for current comfort, it is not going to be substantially better.
Last edited by intuition; Nov 6, 2018 at 11:31 am
Nov 6, 2018, 11:28 am
#32
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Nov 6, 2018, 12:19 pm
#34
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Unless regular Y falls in price, I don't think 900€ is a realistic price in PEY at all.
BRU-HKG basic fare is 585. Comfort seats (LH) + seat&meal (SH) adds 260€, so 845€. Value ticket adds another 45€, ie 890€.
If they will charge the same for a new PEY class as the charge for current comfort, it is not going to be substantially better.
BRU-HKG basic fare is 585. Comfort seats (LH) + seat&meal (SH) adds 260€, so 845€. Value ticket adds another 45€, ie 890€.
If they will charge the same for a new PEY class as the charge for current comfort, it is not going to be substantially better.
Take BRU HKG as an example
looking at SAS Plus of fare class A，the price is 8xx EUR below 900
Looking at BA fare class T, with fare class K short haul, the price is 1000 EUR
Aeroflot is above SK, slightly above 900 EUR, fare class A
Regarding PEY saver, I think 950 - 1050 EUR make sense.
With better slots and slightly shorter travelling time.
Nov 6, 2018, 12:24 pm
#35
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Given that JL sells PEY at double the price of Y on HEL<->NRT, I am rather pessimistic about the whole thing.
But there is at least one good thing to come out of this: 100% earning AY fares to Japan and North America.
But there is at least one good thing to come out of this: 100% earning AY fares to Japan and North America.
Nov 6, 2018, 1:47 pm
#36
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Sorry to repeat myself. AY seem to understand that some people are willing to pay for comfort. So it is time for them to understand that there is a market for short-haul affordable restricted I class tickets.
I have bought BA premium tickets a couple of times when J has been sold out or the price has been ridicously high. The PE has been a good choice especially for day flights.
I have bought BA premium tickets a couple of times when J has been sold out or the price has been ridicously high. The PE has been a good choice especially for day flights.
Nov 6, 2018, 5:20 pm
#37
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This is good news mostly. But it seems I am in different camp on this.
I see several opportunities here. Now I can choose also Finnair for longhaul travel and many others I guess too. Because sofar, I dont want to fly AY Y and J class is not permitted on company dime but PE is, just like most companies what I know.
Also I believe this will shift pricing favorably too. If now the tendency has been expensive Y tickets, but ”too cheap” J tix exEU making good J deals for me out of reach from FIN, I want to believe we will see more pricing towards cheaper Y (<500€) and more expensive J which is good for me as I can choose PE and use upgrades easier (assuming J availability increases due to J folks switxhing more to PE lured vy cost savings).
I think Finnair makes smart move here. And I think Y+ ecocomfort was always a failure for them. Lots of freeriders (elites) without ancillaries or then, too little premium differentiation for leisure pax to pay that Y+ premium as a whole, i.e. bad service business concept with too high differentiation cost vs. scale of value added.
I see several opportunities here. Now I can choose also Finnair for longhaul travel and many others I guess too. Because sofar, I dont want to fly AY Y and J class is not permitted on company dime but PE is, just like most companies what I know.
Also I believe this will shift pricing favorably too. If now the tendency has been expensive Y tickets, but ”too cheap” J tix exEU making good J deals for me out of reach from FIN, I want to believe we will see more pricing towards cheaper Y (<500€) and more expensive J which is good for me as I can choose PE and use upgrades easier (assuming J availability increases due to J folks switxhing more to PE lured vy cost savings).
I think Finnair makes smart move here. And I think Y+ ecocomfort was always a failure for them. Lots of freeriders (elites) without ancillaries or then, too little premium differentiation for leisure pax to pay that Y+ premium as a whole, i.e. bad service business concept with too high differentiation cost vs. scale of value added.
Nov 6, 2018, 6:19 pm
#38
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I'm going to have to be the "pessimisti ei pety"-guy when it comes to this whole thing. Let's be honest that AY's hard product has never been their strength. And when it comes to PE, hard product is, at least in my books, more important compared to J.
Also am I the only one who find this press release kinda funny?
"We're going to have new Premium Economy but actually we don't have any clue what it's going to be like"
Also am I the only one who find this press release kinda funny?
"We're going to have new Premium Economy but actually we don't have any clue what it's going to be like"
Nov 6, 2018, 11:37 pm
#40
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I'm really hoping that the E90 fleet will have that fate. Trying to avoid those like the plague, but lately AY is "messing with me" 
, as they keep on swapping the metal for my booked flights from Airbus 32X to E90 
, as they keep on swapping the metal for my booked flights from Airbus 32X to E90
Nov 6, 2018, 11:38 pm
#41
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What‘s wrong with the E90? I quite like them especially when travelling as a couple.
Nov 6, 2018, 11:53 pm
#42
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Isn t it a fact the a PE will reduce the number of seats in the planes? So will they reduce Y or C capacity in the future? My guess: it will be a smaller C cabin, and therefore the deals from places like TLL, PRG, BUD - you name it - will vanish.
Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 am
#43
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The seats lufthansa have in their E90 are much more comfortable. if nobody is next to you it's quite pleasant but AY E90 is uncomfortable even if you are the only passenger on the plane.
Nov 7, 2018, 1:08 am
#44
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Not so sure J is lacking in yield though.
+1!
Nov 7, 2018, 1:10 am
#45
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I find the seats horrendously uncomfortable and if you recline them the backrest seems to pivot about 30cm too high.
The seats lufthansa have in their E90 are much more comfortable. if nobody is next to you it's quite pleasant but AY E90 is uncomfortable even if you are the only passenger on the plane.
The seats lufthansa have in their E90 are much more comfortable. if nobody is next to you it's quite pleasant but AY E90 is uncomfortable even if you are the only passenger on the plane.