Jul 29, 2019, 7:58 am
Last edit by: Courmisch
Chinese carriers' current schedule to HEL (Nov 2019)
- Sichuan Airlines (A333):
- CTU 02:00 – HEL 06:00 15
- HEL 08:35 – CPH 09:10 15
- CPH 10:55 – HEL 13:35 15
- HEL 15:45 – CTU 05:00(+1) 15
- Juneyao Airlines (B789)
(long-haul marketed also by Finnair and China Eastern)- PVG 01:20 – 05:20 HEL 246 -28MAR20
- HEL 15:30 – 06:30(+1) PVG 246 -28MAR20
- PVG 00:55 – 06:00 HEL D 29MAR20-
- HEL 07:30 – 08:30 MAN 135 29MAR20-
- MAN 10:00 – 15:10 HEL 135 29MAR20-
- HEL 07:30 – 08:20 KEF 26 29MAR20-
- KEF 09:50 – 16:20 HEL 26 29MAR20-
- HEL 07:30 – 08:45 DUB 47 29MAR20-
- DUB 10:00 – 15:10 HEL 47 29MAR20-
- HEL 16:35 – 06:35(+1) PVG 13457 29MAR20-
- HEL 17:50 – 07:50(+1) PVG 26 29MAR20-
- Tibet Airlines (A333):
- TNA 16:05 – 19:30 HEL 1
- HEL 21:30 – 13:00(+1) TNA 1
Chinese carrier to Helsinki (again)
Oct 24, 2018, 2:47 pm
#1
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Chinese carrier to Helsinki (again)
This time, a Chinese carrier not from HNA group allegedly wants to starts flights to HEL:
So... is seven-weekly a euphemism for daily, or does that imply the schedule actually varies by day of week?
Originally Posted by routesonline.com
Juneyao Airlines has also applied to open a seven-weekly Shanghai Pudong - Helsinki route from June 2019 using Boeing 787-900 aircraft
Oct 24, 2018, 4:30 pm
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AY has stated they would have the demand for a second daily PVG flight if they would only have the permit for that.
If Juneyao would work with AY for connections (by selling connections on AY and/or having AY code on their flight) this flight could be even viable.
If Juneyao would work with AY for connections (by selling connections on AY and/or having AY code on their flight) this flight could be even viable.
Oct 24, 2018, 7:46 pm
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Seems HO just got their first 789 from Boeing and the J class product looks pretty decent. I preferred the staggered to the reverse herringbone seating arrangement. AY's departure times are good for connecting traffic in both directions so it'd be interesting to see what timing HO is looking at.
Oct 25, 2018, 10:17 am
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Seems HO just got their first 789 from Boeing and the J class product looks pretty decent. I preferred the staggered to the reverse herringbone seating arrangement. AY's departure times are good for connecting traffic in both directions so it'd be interesting to see what timing HO is looking at.
But for me personally usually PEK and PVG is final destination, the arriving time is really bad.
- Cant really sleep much on the flight, since it arrives so early plus services in between disturb the sleep.
- Once i arrive, right on the rush hour stuck in traffic. PVG is "okish" PEK is nightmare
- Arrive hotel, too early to check in, red eye waiting for hours
- Cant go straight to work/business neither(though i often does this), cuz im tired AF then leave me 2 choices do i sleep or just push through the first day without sleep the night before?
Oct 25, 2018, 10:29 am
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Which realistically isn't going to happen given different alliance alignments and the need for a metal neutral JV to make the economics work properly
Oct 25, 2018, 1:21 pm
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Even if HO fed some extra via PVG, I expect that a connecting partner will be necessary at HEL, say to Nordic capitals and Lapland. Furthermore, I cannot really make out a wave of HO arrivals that would feed the flight at PVG. So they would probably expect the traffic to originate mostly at PVG...
Admittedly, it does not have to be the scame scale as JL. And the partner could be SK (and LH?), or maybe even D8, but I doubt "the economics" will work without connections at HEL.
Admittedly, it does not have to be the scame scale as JL. And the partner could be SK (and LH?), or maybe even D8, but I doubt "the economics" will work without connections at HEL.
Oct 25, 2018, 5:55 pm
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A weekly might sound credible, the PVG area is huge and cooperating with tour operators could bring some 250 tourists to HEL every week, continuing on other carriers to continental Europe after a quick stopover. But a daily doesn't sound too credible to me. OTOH, if they codeshare with AY, that will open a whole world of possibilities. AY codeshares with CA, too, so I don't think it would be impossible.
Oct 26, 2018, 9:03 am
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A weekly might sound credible, the PVG area is huge and cooperating with tour operators could bring some 250 tourists to HEL every week, continuing on other carriers to continental Europe after a quick stopover. But a daily doesn't sound too credible to me. OTOH, if they codeshare with AY, that will open a whole world of possibilities. AY codeshares with CA, too, so I don't think it would be impossible.
Unless Finland demands a reciprocal seat block tax on Chinese carriers, but then there won't be many AY seats on HO flights.
Dec 31, 2018, 11:23 am
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I dont know what this really means (maybe nothing) but HEL ground handling company Aviator Services Finland Oy now seeking Chinese speaking gate/Check-In agents.
Aviator handling now SU, BT, B2, BA, OK, JL, SK in HEL.
Aviator handling now SU, BT, B2, BA, OK, JL, SK in HEL.
Jan 17, 2019, 12:22 pm
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Finavia's press release today: https://www.finavia.fi/en/newsroom/2...ights-shanghai
"Juneyao Air is launching direct flights from Shanghai Pudong Airport to Helsinki in June-July 2019. Daily flights will be operated with a new Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft. "
Edit: While they have a website in English, that website knows nothing about HEL and you cannot book tickets or look at schedules (yet).
"Juneyao Air is launching direct flights from Shanghai Pudong Airport to Helsinki in June-July 2019. Daily flights will be operated with a new Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft. "
Edit: While they have a website in English, that website knows nothing about HEL and you cannot book tickets or look at schedules (yet).
Last edited by ffay005; Jan 17, 2019 at 1:28 pm
Jan 17, 2019, 2:08 pm
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Somebody from Flightforum.fi had visited the HO stand at the Travel Fair. They had a leaflet with the planned schedule, which looks strange to say the least. Terrible arrival time at PVG and a long layover at HEL.
HO1608 PVG-HEL 00.55-06.00
HO1607 HEL-PVG 14.20-04.20 +1
https://www.flightforum.fi/topic/309...comment-758734
HO1608 PVG-HEL 00.55-06.00
HO1607 HEL-PVG 14.20-04.20 +1
https://www.flightforum.fi/topic/309...comment-758734
Jan 17, 2019, 3:58 pm
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The PVG-HEL timing is, in my opinion, better than AY's service but that return is rough. Such an early arrival for both tourists & business travelers.
Somebody from Flightforum.fi had visited the HO stand at the Travel Fair. They had a leaflet with the planned schedule, which looks strange to say the least. Terrible arrival time at PVG and a long layover at HEL.
HO1608 PVG-HEL 00.55-06.00
HO1607 HEL-PVG 14.20-04.20 +1
https://www.flightforum.fi/topic/309...comment-758734
HO1608 PVG-HEL 00.55-06.00
HO1607 HEL-PVG 14.20-04.20 +1
https://www.flightforum.fi/topic/309...comment-758734
Jan 17, 2019, 11:41 pm
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It seems that Chinese airlines are testing the ice - sooner or later some of them will actually fly and some of those will actually remain.
Jan 18, 2019, 2:19 am
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And yet another airline plans to serve HEL:
https://onemileatatime.com/tibet-airlines-helsinki/
[QUOTE] Tibet Airlines has announced that they’ll launch 2x weekly flights between Jinan and Helsinki as of April 8, 2019. /QUOTE]
Next steps:
- open Google Maps
- search for Jinan
- think if TNA-HEL service even makes sense
https://onemileatatime.com/tibet-airlines-helsinki/
[QUOTE] Tibet Airlines has announced that they’ll launch 2x weekly flights between Jinan and Helsinki as of April 8, 2019. /QUOTE]
Next steps:
- open Google Maps
- search for Jinan
- think if TNA-HEL service even makes sense
Jan 18, 2019, 2:49 am
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Tibet Airlines has announced that they’ll launch 2x weekly flights between Jinan and Helsinki as of April 8, 2019. /QUOTE]
Next steps:
- open Google Maps
- search for Jinan
- think if TNA-HEL service even makes sense
Next steps:
- open Google Maps
- search for Jinan
- think if TNA-HEL service even makes sense