intuition

Now I've cancelled that award using MMB (and only forfeited the 22€ taxes paid) with two other observations:
a - you now need to claim the points back. I don't recall needing to do that before, but now cancellation confirmation clearly says 'you need to contact plus service center to get points back'
b - there is an interesting feeling when you check the 4h narrowbody J flight you've just cancelled to get your 60k points back and you realise it now retails at 3 000€...

intuition

I just have to add a third observation, which I can't believe myself...

Qantas returned the seat to the award pool

UnknownPassenger

Is it possible to get award flights on JL Premium Economy using AY+? I can see avail during the Olympics to HND but no idea how many points are needed since it isn't specified in AY pages.

FFlash

Finally an improvement, albeit small.

Earlier, booking Finnair awards, they forced you to accept the next possible connection, but now you are allowed to have <24hrs connection. More time for LoungWing!

intuition

Am I too debbie-downer if I say it sounds like a perfect opportunity for a future "enhancement", ie using married-segment logics to forbid awards on the next possible connection?
I mean, this is already done on most sales fare, where advertised price is only valid on the 8h+ connections and the short connection option is several hundreds more expensive.

EuroFlash

why do they do that in the first place?

intuition

I guess in order to cash in on what they think is their USP: "the shortest route to asia".
They want to lure you into the site with a price as low as the competition, and then offer a better connection at a higher price.

ffay005

QR does the same, and I suppose they aren’t the only ones. It’s very simple: the more convenient, the more expensive.

Nonstops usually cost a lot more than a one-stop option. Logic has it that a convenient one-stop costs more than an inconvenient one.

FFlash

They are already doing it with awards too I thought a marriedsegment rule is the reason. Luckily I have found that you can go around it sometimes when availabilit is there by searching separate legs and calling in AY. Done that many times, but not always working though.

FFlash

just stumbled across this site and found this useful enough. Minor errors in info but alright

https://upgradedpoints.com/best-ways...ir-plus-miles/

on22cz

Minor errors? The author apparently hasn't understood that miles =/= kilometres; i.e., that the whole AY+ operates in kms (earnings and spendings), not just the RTW table of distance allowed. The 10k upgrade suggests it's per way, not segment. The 15k Nordic award isn't one-way. I guess it could continue.

FFlash

Just minor errors = british polite language for the finnish ”äijä ei oo kartalla”

loimu

I hadn't paid attention to the distance based Oneworld awads option before.

Sorry if I'm a bit slow but how does it work: is the idea that the award should always be round-the-world (or within one continent only)? How else would you fulfill the rule: "You may travel within a continent. Backtracking limitations exist: you must travel from continent to continent in a continuous westward or eastward direction, crossing the Atlantic and Pacific oceans once only."

The rules on AY web page regarding the number of carriers are conflicting between the English and Finnish web page: The Finnish version says that the award "consists of flights of AY + two other OW carriers or by two OW carriers" whereas the English (and Swedish and German) versions talk about "AY + at least two OW" carriers OR "two OW carriers [without mentioning if two is minimum or maximum in case of AY not being among the carriers]. So probably the Finnish page is wrong in this regard and you can have any number of OW carriers in your award, with a minimum of two non-AY carriers.

Has any of you guys booked these distance-based OW awards?

intuition

a) The bactracking rule is from RTW type of trips, yes. E.g. you can book it as a simple return without breaking the backtracking rule.

b) the limitation text is wrong as a few FT'ers have reported. There was a discussion not long ago where I also referred to that anomaly where the option without AY said it should be exactly 2 carriers, and a few reported back that they had no issues with a large number of carriers on a ticket.
So it should probably read "at least 2" in all cases and locales. A perhaps better text is that it requires at least 2 different OW carriers that are not AY.

loimu

Ok, thanks intuition ! So basically you could take e.g. a JL flight from HEL, bounce back and forth within Asia and eventually return back to HEL from any Asian OW destination?