AY lounge at LHR ; boarding psss says No.1 lounge
Nov 13, 2017, 3:27 am
#63
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Ah, then it must be that only the digital screen downstairs is not showing the Finnair logo.
I would have wanted to visit the No 1 lounge as well last week, as I had a 4-hour layover and the only other viable lounge in T3 is the No 1.
I would have wanted to visit the No 1 lounge as well last week, as I had a 4-hour layover and the only other viable lounge in T3 is the No 1.
Nov 13, 2017, 5:22 am
#67
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It wouldn't surprise me if One World have some kind of better tracking system that may apportion costs for multiple visits. I'm sure it gets very complex very quickly from a cost calculation point of view. You never know though, IT systems can be pretty old school in these companies too.
Nov 13, 2017, 6:03 am
#68
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That is an uneducated guess, not a fact.
Why on earth would a QF-lounge forfeit their opportunity to charge Finnair, just because CX already have charged for the same passenger?
Why on earth would a QF-lounge forfeit their opportunity to charge Finnair, just because CX already have charged for the same passenger?
Nov 13, 2017, 6:45 am
#69
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I read in another forum that in oneworld it is always the operating carrier that pays for the lounge visit(s).
Not that it matters to me but I would be very surprised if oneworld did have a good tracking system that would somehow apportion the cost of multiple lounge visits on a single boarding pass.
Not that it matters to me but I would be very surprised if oneworld did have a good tracking system that would somehow apportion the cost of multiple lounge visits on a single boarding pass.
Nov 13, 2017, 10:58 am
#70
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It depends how the system is set up. In an ideal world carriers would track as many data points as possible to build a more accurate cost model. They could then build a more fair inter-carrier billing agreement.
At a bare minimum, they probably have different prices for business class vs first class lounge access. Other variables could include things such as: Country (local price index), time of day, time until departure and possibly age (children vs adult). All of these variables could have an impact on lounge costs. Just to be clear, I am speculating on these.
It takes a pretty robust and well developed IT system to make such calculations. We have seen that BA had spend considerable effort in its FLY system to calculate things such as upgrade entitlement. Not much is know about it, though much has been speculated.
Of course, it is also entirely possible that there is a just a global flat fee and every time you scan in, lounge operator bills the ticketed airline X amount.
Nov 13, 2017, 11:59 am
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Well I am just saying. First you post a very detailed description of lounge rules and the billing system, explaining mechanisms and incentives for lounge operators to abuse the access rules.
Then, less than 24 hours later, you post an idea that there are systems in place to the contrary, where lounges are unable to bill for visitors, which effectively would overturn the motive to abuse the lounge rules you carefully explained yesterday.
So yes, I wanted to make it clear that you, despite confident wording, are just posting uneducated guesses.
There is nothing wrong with posting guesses and speculations. I do it a lot too. But to move this thread forward some facts would be nice. I am confident that FT at some point will provide great facts - a similar discussion regarding *A lounge arrangements has provided us with a copy of the bilateral agreement between airlines.
Then, less than 24 hours later, you post an idea that there are systems in place to the contrary, where lounges are unable to bill for visitors, which effectively would overturn the motive to abuse the lounge rules you carefully explained yesterday.
So yes, I wanted to make it clear that you, despite confident wording, are just posting uneducated guesses.
There is nothing wrong with posting guesses and speculations. I do it a lot too. But to move this thread forward some facts would be nice. I am confident that FT at some point will provide great facts - a similar discussion regarding *A lounge arrangements has provided us with a copy of the bilateral agreement between airlines.
Nov 13, 2017, 1:09 pm
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Well I am just saying. First you post a very detailed description of lounge rules and the billing system, explaining mechanisms and incentives for lounge operators to abuse the access rules.
Then, less than 24 hours later, you post an idea that there are systems in place to the contrary, where lounges are unable to bill for visitors, which effectively would overturn the motive to abuse the lounge rules you carefully explained yesterday.
So yes, I wanted to make it clear that you, despite confident wording, are just posting uneducated guesses.
There is nothing wrong with posting guesses and speculations. I do it a lot too. But to move this thread forward some facts would be nice. I am confident that FT at some point will provide great facts - a similar discussion regarding *A lounge arrangements has provided us with a copy of the bilateral agreement between airlines.
Then, less than 24 hours later, you post an idea that there are systems in place to the contrary, where lounges are unable to bill for visitors, which effectively would overturn the motive to abuse the lounge rules you carefully explained yesterday.
So yes, I wanted to make it clear that you, despite confident wording, are just posting uneducated guesses.
There is nothing wrong with posting guesses and speculations. I do it a lot too. But to move this thread forward some facts would be nice. I am confident that FT at some point will provide great facts - a similar discussion regarding *A lounge arrangements has provided us with a copy of the bilateral agreement between airlines.
I think you've misunderstood what I wrote in a pretty significant way, but that's just an uneducated guess.
Nov 15, 2017, 6:53 am
#73
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I was on a BA ticket in CE, I was be able to gain access to CX lounge twice. Now with AY J, I am not sure as I have no OW status (literally Ruby) whether they will grant me the access or not. I just want to avoid the No.1 Lounge which is overcrowded.
Nov 27, 2017, 1:40 pm
#74
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I'm totally with intuition on this topic, OW J ticket alone for sure doesn't grant automatic access to any OW lounge you can find at any given airport. Some carriers/lounges are more open like CX and QF, IME, but as an example, there are many smaller BA lounges across the US, which are more of less only open before the BA flights. They don't even allow access to these lounges if you have OW status unless you're flying BA..they can always use the "not enough space blaablaa..."..
Nov 28, 2017, 5:13 am
#75
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QF is opening their new LHR lounge at T3 tomorrow (29.11.2017) (https://www.ausbt.com.au/first-look-...t-class-lounge). It has no dedicated F area but other similar QF lounges (SIN) are still mighty nice.
Worth a visit, when CX lounge gets boring
Worth a visit, when CX lounge gets boring