Finnair newbie questions thread (flame-free)
#4036
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 79
Is there somewhere to find the previous double/triple points earning promotions for Finnair over the years in a concise post or article?
Obviously there were two major promotions this year (double points earned from Jan & triple points earned from May) given Finnair were in dire need of a cash infusion due to the Ukraine & covid in the Far East situations. I'm in the process of taking advantage of the latter.
I am interested in whether any promotions like this were common in the past? The triple points seems maybe unprecedented, but was a double points promotion something that has popped up annually, or every other year?
Any help would be appreciated & if any veteran FP members have any predictions on when the next is likely to happen I'd also be interested to hear.
Obviously there were two major promotions this year (double points earned from Jan & triple points earned from May) given Finnair were in dire need of a cash infusion due to the Ukraine & covid in the Far East situations. I'm in the process of taking advantage of the latter.
I am interested in whether any promotions like this were common in the past? The triple points seems maybe unprecedented, but was a double points promotion something that has popped up annually, or every other year?
Any help would be appreciated & if any veteran FP members have any predictions on when the next is likely to happen I'd also be interested to hear.
#4037
Join Date: May 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat (OWE), SK EBG (*A Gold), KQ Plat (STE+), Accor Plat
Posts: 3,157
In the years prior to covid, there were a few double points campaigns, but they never earned tier points – double points were for award points only. (I believe the last double tier points campaign before covid was over 10 years ago). These were, therefore, all quite unprecedented and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the next one.
#4038
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 79
In the years prior to covid, there were a few double points campaigns, but they never earned tier points – double points were for award points only. (I believe the last double tier points campaign before covid was over 10 years ago). These were, therefore, all quite unprecedented and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the next one.
Can you recall any point at which they've done previous tier point multipliers? Perhaps just for specific routes?
Also, do you know if the recent 30% off award redemptions promotion for the same 30-year anniversary week is something that comes about on a regular basis? If so, is there a logical time to expect the next one?
#4039
Join Date: May 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat (OWE), SK EBG (*A Gold), KQ Plat (STE+), Accor Plat
Posts: 3,157
Thanks for the lightning quick response, Ikrt! That was my assumption & that if we were to see anything (like only an award points bonus), it likely wouldn't be until next year at a minimum.
Can you recall any point at which they've done previous tier point multipliers? Perhaps just for specific routes?
Also, do you know if the recent 30% off award redemptions promotion for the same 30-year anniversary week is something that comes about on a regular basis? If so, is there a logical time to expect the next one?
Can you recall any point at which they've done previous tier point multipliers? Perhaps just for specific routes?
Also, do you know if the recent 30% off award redemptions promotion for the same 30-year anniversary week is something that comes about on a regular basis? If so, is there a logical time to expect the next one?
All that being said, next year is AY's 100-year anniversary, so it might be – depending on their financial status at that point – that we will see some nice campaign any way.
#4040
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 79
I'd tend to agree with your assumption of the next one being in the heart of winter at earliest. I cannot recall anything about the prior-to-covid tier point bonus campaigns. The redemption campaign was a one-off, too. We've recently seen 20% discount campaigns on redemptions but the 30% off was a first (for me, at least).
All that being said, next year is AY's 100-year anniversary, so it might be – depending on their financial status at that point – that we will see some nice campaign any way.
All that being said, next year is AY's 100-year anniversary, so it might be – depending on their financial status at that point – that we will see some nice campaign any way.
I had zero intention of chasing status with OW (Germany-based) until the 3x appeared & suddenly I caught Lumo-mania. No regrets as HEL is a delight to transit & I'm rather fond of blueberries. Just have to work out how to use all these points...
Kiitos!
#4041
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum (OWE), HHonors Gold
Posts: 202
I'm doing the Iltalehti famous "ilmaveivi" to start a mass tourism trip. HEL-BER-HEL-JFK with the first HEL-BER on a different PNR and same-plane turnaround.
Was I to fly just for the sake of idiocy I would obviously go HBO. Since this is mass tourism, I'm contemplating checking in a bag.
According to chat CS turnaround at BER is 10 minutes less than minimum connecting time (50 min vs 60) so through checking is unlikely. Since I'm originating in HEL I was wondering if I could check a bag just HEL-JFK, possibly the previous evening. Checking the bag in after arriving from BER won't work, the connection is too tight.
What would checking a bag only for the later leg of an itinerary be called? Is it still short-checking? Are there rules permitting or forbidding such a practice? Does FT think such a request would be honored at previous evening check-in?
Was I to fly just for the sake of idiocy I would obviously go HBO. Since this is mass tourism, I'm contemplating checking in a bag.
According to chat CS turnaround at BER is 10 minutes less than minimum connecting time (50 min vs 60) so through checking is unlikely. Since I'm originating in HEL I was wondering if I could check a bag just HEL-JFK, possibly the previous evening. Checking the bag in after arriving from BER won't work, the connection is too tight.
What would checking a bag only for the later leg of an itinerary be called? Is it still short-checking? Are there rules permitting or forbidding such a practice? Does FT think such a request would be honored at previous evening check-in?
#4042
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,172
I believe the last tier point promo was in 2010, so they're extremely rare.
As for 2x award point promos, they come irregularly.
With the frenzy of promos now, I think AY is soon getting into "diminishing returns". People have no so many points stacked and so few opportunities to use them, I wonder who would care about a 2x AP promo? Or buying points?
Inflation in AY points system has already begun and I am pretty sure they will keep on finding new ways to both limit the use of point and make them less valuable.
Not to mention the unreliability of their operations. If you book 5 flights on a 2x points promo, how many of these flights will actually operate?
As for 2x award point promos, they come irregularly.
With the frenzy of promos now, I think AY is soon getting into "diminishing returns". People have no so many points stacked and so few opportunities to use them, I wonder who would care about a 2x AP promo? Or buying points?
Inflation in AY points system has already begun and I am pretty sure they will keep on finding new ways to both limit the use of point and make them less valuable.
Not to mention the unreliability of their operations. If you book 5 flights on a 2x points promo, how many of these flights will actually operate?
#4043
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,172
I'm doing the Iltalehti famous "ilmaveivi" to start a mass tourism trip. HEL-BER-HEL-JFK with the first HEL-BER on a different PNR and same-plane turnaround.
Was I to fly just for the sake of idiocy I would obviously go HBO. Since this is mass tourism, I'm contemplating checking in a bag.
According to chat CS turnaround at BER is 10 minutes less than minimum connecting time (50 min vs 60) so through checking is unlikely. Since I'm originating in HEL I was wondering if I could check a bag just HEL-JFK, possibly the previous evening. Checking the bag in after arriving from BER won't work, the connection is too tight.
What would checking a bag only for the later leg of an itinerary be called? Is it still short-checking? Are there rules permitting or forbidding such a practice? Does FT think such a request would be honored at previous evening check-in?
Was I to fly just for the sake of idiocy I would obviously go HBO. Since this is mass tourism, I'm contemplating checking in a bag.
According to chat CS turnaround at BER is 10 minutes less than minimum connecting time (50 min vs 60) so through checking is unlikely. Since I'm originating in HEL I was wondering if I could check a bag just HEL-JFK, possibly the previous evening. Checking the bag in after arriving from BER won't work, the connection is too tight.
What would checking a bag only for the later leg of an itinerary be called? Is it still short-checking? Are there rules permitting or forbidding such a practice? Does FT think such a request would be honored at previous evening check-in?
Perhaps it is easier because you originate from HEL, so you might succeed only check for last segments. There is no name for it, it will be up to you to explain and convince the check-in agent.
#4044
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Programs: Finnair (AY) Platinum, Air France Silver, Tallink Club One Silver :)
Posts: 1,655
I'm doing the Iltalehti famous "ilmaveivi" to start a mass tourism trip. HEL-BER-HEL-JFK with the first HEL-BER on a different PNR and same-plane turnaround.
Was I to fly just for the sake of idiocy I would obviously go HBO. Since this is mass tourism, I'm contemplating checking in a bag.
According to chat CS turnaround at BER is 10 minutes less than minimum connecting time (50 min vs 60) so through checking is unlikely. Since I'm originating in HEL I was wondering if I could check a bag just HEL-JFK, possibly the previous evening. Checking the bag in after arriving from BER won't work, the connection is too tight.
What would checking a bag only for the later leg of an itinerary be called? Is it still short-checking? Are there rules permitting or forbidding such a practice? Does FT think such a request would be honored at previous evening check-in?
Was I to fly just for the sake of idiocy I would obviously go HBO. Since this is mass tourism, I'm contemplating checking in a bag.
According to chat CS turnaround at BER is 10 minutes less than minimum connecting time (50 min vs 60) so through checking is unlikely. Since I'm originating in HEL I was wondering if I could check a bag just HEL-JFK, possibly the previous evening. Checking the bag in after arriving from BER won't work, the connection is too tight.
What would checking a bag only for the later leg of an itinerary be called? Is it still short-checking? Are there rules permitting or forbidding such a practice? Does FT think such a request would be honored at previous evening check-in?
Same for another trip of HEL - FRA - HEL - SFO in 2019.
So starting in HEL and checking a suitcase for only part of an itinerary, where it actually goes to the final destination of your ticket is not a problem.
#4045
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum (OWE), HHonors Gold
Posts: 202
Last, and only, time I tried something similar they A) refused to check bag for only certain segments and b) lost the bag. As reported in season 5 episode 9 of my "10 seasons of platinum".
A second chat with CS revealed that MCT in BER is 50 min so through checking might be possible.
I'm acutely aware of the probability of luggage delay or loss and will pack accordingly.
#4046
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum (OWE), HHonors Gold
Posts: 202
#4047
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Programs: Finnair (AY) Platinum, Air France Silver, Tallink Club One Silver :)
Posts: 1,655
#4048
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 79
I believe the last tier point promo was in 2010, so they're extremely rare.
As for 2x award point promos, they come irregularly.
With the frenzy of promos now, I think AY is soon getting into "diminishing returns". People have no so many points stacked and so few opportunities to use them, I wonder who would care about a 2x AP promo? Or buying points?
Inflation in AY points system has already begun and I am pretty sure they will keep on finding new ways to both limit the use of point and make them less valuable.
As for 2x award point promos, they come irregularly.
With the frenzy of promos now, I think AY is soon getting into "diminishing returns". People have no so many points stacked and so few opportunities to use them, I wonder who would care about a 2x AP promo? Or buying points?
Inflation in AY points system has already begun and I am pretty sure they will keep on finding new ways to both limit the use of point and make them less valuable.
My warning to others (even as an AY newbie) is that Delta created a glut of Diamonds by rolling over status miles for 2-3 years & now are faced with real challenges in how to allot all those benefits. Lounges are rammed full & those with Global Upgrades have had them devalued by only being able to move up one cabin rather than from econ to business. If AY starts chipping away at the program I see their long-haul upgrades, or the price you can do so with points, being at risk. I also think there's a high chance they raise taxes & fees/bring back major fuel surcharges on award flights in the next year.
The only time this happened (being concerned about flights even operating to clinch a deal) was in January using SAS for their 4x status promo. They were cancelling & shifting flights wholesale at the time - albeit they were seemingly crediting 4x points if they were responsible for cancellations... provided you chased them, that is.
Anyway, thanks for the insights.
#4049
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,990
Yeah, I agree with you on "diminishing returns". At some point this level of offer becomes unsustainable & most people who would have switched allegiance to AY through them (like me for the next couple years) will have likely already done so.
My warning to others (even as an AY newbie) is that Delta created a glut of Diamonds by rolling over status miles for 2-3 years & now are faced with real challenges in how to allot all those benefits. Lounges are rammed full & those with Global Upgrades have had them devalued by only being able to move up one cabin rather than from econ to business. If AY starts chipping away at the program I see their long-haul upgrades, or the price you can do so with points, being at risk. I also think there's a high chance they raise taxes & fees/bring back major fuel surcharges on award flights in the next year.
While I agree in certain cases, this really depends on which fare class you opt to purchase for these offers. I bought 4x economy flex returns to the US with the 3x promo, knowing there was little likelihood of US routes being impacted covid-wise (& luckily having half my family & much of my field research based out there). Normally light or classic fares might have made sense price-wise but with the points it was possible to accumulate with econ flex, I knew I stood a good chance of flying in J for 7/8 long-hauls with little to nothing extra out of pocket. Even if there was a minor schedule change it wouldn't have a major bearing on the value of the deal to me.
The only time this happened (being concerned about flights even operating to clinch a deal) was in January using SAS for their 4x status promo. They were cancelling & shifting flights wholesale at the time - albeit they were seemingly crediting 4x points if they were responsible for cancellations... provided you chased them, that is.
Anyway, thanks for the insights.
My warning to others (even as an AY newbie) is that Delta created a glut of Diamonds by rolling over status miles for 2-3 years & now are faced with real challenges in how to allot all those benefits. Lounges are rammed full & those with Global Upgrades have had them devalued by only being able to move up one cabin rather than from econ to business. If AY starts chipping away at the program I see their long-haul upgrades, or the price you can do so with points, being at risk. I also think there's a high chance they raise taxes & fees/bring back major fuel surcharges on award flights in the next year.
While I agree in certain cases, this really depends on which fare class you opt to purchase for these offers. I bought 4x economy flex returns to the US with the 3x promo, knowing there was little likelihood of US routes being impacted covid-wise (& luckily having half my family & much of my field research based out there). Normally light or classic fares might have made sense price-wise but with the points it was possible to accumulate with econ flex, I knew I stood a good chance of flying in J for 7/8 long-hauls with little to nothing extra out of pocket. Even if there was a minor schedule change it wouldn't have a major bearing on the value of the deal to me.
The only time this happened (being concerned about flights even operating to clinch a deal) was in January using SAS for their 4x status promo. They were cancelling & shifting flights wholesale at the time - albeit they were seemingly crediting 4x points if they were responsible for cancellations... provided you chased them, that is.
Anyway, thanks for the insights.
#4050
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Bay Area, California
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold (ex-75K), Bonvoy Titanium, Recovering United 1K
Posts: 338
Flying into HEL from the US in business in a few weeks. Was originally going to stay 1 night in town before proceeding to London the next day, but now am going out on the same day. I land in HEL at 10am and depart for London at 2pm. Separate tickets -- TATL is business, HEL-LHR is award coach. I am OWE. Can I use the lounge in HEL after arrival?