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This is no way, AY - things to improve [feedback thread]

This is no way, AY - things to improve [feedback thread]

Old Jan 1, 2019, 9:58 am
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in which case you get zone based points?
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Old Jan 1, 2019, 10:34 am
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Originally Posted by spek
in which case you get zone based points?
All Finnair flights earn points based on zones on Finnair Plus.
Have you credited points to your Finnair Plus Platinum account recently?
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Old Jan 1, 2019, 11:02 am
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Earning are zone-based for flights marketed by Finnair (AY) and operated by Finnair, Norra or otherwise on behalf of Finnair.
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Old Jan 1, 2019, 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005
If memory serves me right, CDG used to be 1913 points. Take that times 2.5 and you'll get roughly 4785, so you got km-based points instead of zone-based. Try flying to DXB in J and hope for the best!
Your explanation makes sense...it was a JL ticket (but AY metal and code) which probably caused the hickup.
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Old Jan 1, 2019, 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005
If memory serves me right, CDG used to be 1913 points.
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I believe 1914, but close enough!

Code:
From  	To  	Economy 100%  	Economy 50%  	Turistiluokka 25%  	Business 200%
Helsinki  	Amsterdam  	2 000	1 000	500	4 000
Helsinki 	Barcelona 	2 628	1 314	657	5 256
Helsinki 	Berlin 	2 000	1 000	500	4 000
Helsinki 	Brussels 	1 648	824	412	3 296
Helsinki 	Budapest 	1 480	740	370	2 960
Helsinki 	Dsseldorf 	2 000	1 000	500	4 000
Helsinki 	Frankfurt 	2 000	1 000	500	4 000
Helsinki 	Gdansk 	750	375	187	1 500
Helsinki 	Geneva 	1 992	996	498	3 984
Helsinki 	Hamburg 	2 000	1 000	500	4 000
Helsinki 	Krakow 	1 184	592	296	one-class* / 1 934
Helsinki 	Lisbon 	3 364	1 682	841	6 728
Helsinki 	Ljubljana 	1 712	856	428	3 424
Helsinki 	London 	1 826	913	456	3 652
Helsinki 	Madrid 	2 952	1 476	738	5 904
Helsinki 	Manchester 	1 812	906	453	3 624
Helsinki 	Milan 	1 938	969	484	3 876
Helsinki 	Moscow 	910	455	227	1 820
Helsinki 	Munich 	2 000	1 000	500	4 000
Helsinki 	Paris 	1 914	957	478	3 828
Helsinki 	St. Petersburg 	750	375	187	1 500
Helsinki 	Florence 	2 092	1 046	523	business / 2 842
Helsinki 	Prague 	1 322	661	330	2 644
Helsinki 	Riga 	750	375	187	1 500
Helsinki 	Rome 	2 230	1 115	557	4 460
Helsinki 	Stuttgart 	2 000	1 000	500	4 000
Helsinki 	Tallinn 	750	375	187	one-class* / 1 250
Helsinki 	Warsaw 	940	470	235	1 880
Helsinki 	Venice 	1 846	923	461	one-class* / 2 596
Helsinki 	Vilnius 	750	375	187	1 500
Helsinki 	Vienna 	1 462	731	365	2 924
Helsinki 	Zrich 	1 780	890	445	3 560
Stockholm 	Brussels 	1 278	639	319	2 556
Stockholm 	London 	1 432	716	358	2 864
Stockholm 	Luxembourg 	1 330	665	332	2 660
Stockholm 	Madrid 	2 590	1295	647	5 180
Stockholm 	Manchester 	1 410	705	362	2 820
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Old Jan 1, 2019, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005
If memory serves me right, CDG used to be 1913 points. Take that times 2.5 and you'll get roughly 4785, so you got km-based points instead of zone-based. Try flying to DXB in J and hope for the best!
Originally Posted by R2
Your explanation makes sense...it was a JL ticket (but AY metal and code) which probably caused the hickup.
So the idea is to book HEL-DXB on AY code and metal on a JL ticket?
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Old Jan 1, 2019, 11:09 pm
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Originally Posted by flymetoHEL
I've only gotten odd miles when flying on other OW carriers. Is your ticket, flight number, etc all showing AY?
Yes, AY code, AY metal, bought at finnair.com
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 1:54 am
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So the idea is to book HEL-DXB on AY code and metal on a JL ticket?
I doubt you can book such a ticket, except maybe as part of a larger itinerary.
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 3:49 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
I believe 1914, but close enough!
This table is weird I could swear under oath that LHR was 1825 and MAD 2950. I also recall ZRH being 1779. Why is everything suddenly 12 km too long?

The German flat 2000 derives from an ancient cooperation between AY, LH and DL. Now all three are in different alliances...
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 5:23 am
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I had to dig deep - it seems I pulled that table of the site in 2010 or earlier.
But looking back to my own account in that period I have no flights matching the table so I cannot verify if it indeed is correct.

But with 1km off from your memory it may be that the published table had a rounding error.
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 5:27 am
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As far as I recall, only Helsinki<->Amsterdam had fixed earnings already before the ticket type system. Did that include Germany too?
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
This table is weird – I could swear under oath that LHR was 1825 and MAD 2950. I also recall ZRH being 1779. Why is everything suddenly 1–2 km too long?

The German flat 2000 derives from an ancient cooperation between AY, LH and DL. Now all three are in different alliances...

I can verify the longhaul part of the same table to the exact point for HKG, BKK, NRT during 2009 and early 2010.
However ICN, HKG, NRT late 2010 does not match this table, earned points are off by a few. So I'd say the revised the table mid 2010 and perhaps your memory is from that period?


Bangkok Hong Kong 1688 844 422 3376
Helsinki Bangkok 7894 3947 1973 15788
Helsinki Beijing 6308 3154 1577 12616
Helsinki Delhi 5224 2612 1306 10448
Helsinki Hong Kong 7900 3950 1975 15800
Helsinki Nagoya 8362 4181 2090 16724
Helsinki New York 6610 3305 1652 13220
Helsinki Osaka 8272 4124 2062 16544
Helsinki Seoul 7038 3519 1759 14076
Helsinki Shanghai 7380 3690 1845 14760
Helsinki Singapore 9276 4638 2319 18552
Helsinki Tokyo 8462 4231 2115 16924
Helsinki Toronto 6598 3299 1649 one-class*/7598
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
As far as I recall, only Helsinki<->Amsterdam had fixed earnings already before the ticket type system. Did that include Germany too?
As ffay005 wrote AY was co-operating with LH on routes between HEL and Germany back in 1990's. IIRC the increased flat 2000 points earning for the Germany routes was introduced when AY joined oneworld and LH went from a partner to a competitor.

HEL-AMS was 1521 points long into the 2000's. Can't remember when that was changed to the flat 2000 points earning.

HEL-ZRH used to be 1780 and HEL-LHR 1825 points.
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by R2
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HEL-AMS was 1521 points long into the 2000's. Can't remember when that was changed to the flat 2000 points earning.
Late 2012 or early 2013.
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Old Jan 2, 2019, 9:44 am
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HEL-AMS had fixed 1500 points at some points. It was explicitly singled out in the earning tables even. I never really understood why.
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