Foreign longhaul carriers out of HEL
Sep 26, 2017, 9:38 am
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HNA Group is at it again, announcing Kunming-Chengu-Helsinki twice weekly starting in January. Lets see if this materializes...
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Sep 26, 2017, 11:28 am
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Well, I just reproduced somebody else's typo 
By the way, why do Chinese airlines operate so many international flights with a domestic stop? That seems pointless, as passengers will have to go through passport controls and customs at the stop.
By the way, why do Chinese airlines operate so many international flights with a domestic stop? That seems pointless, as passengers will have to go through passport controls and customs at the stop.
Sep 26, 2017, 11:37 am
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Sep 26, 2017, 12:29 pm
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If I was betting, I might place my bet on Lucky not starting flights to HEL, but we'll see...
Btw, did anyone react to Finavia talking about a triangle route? The person who wrote the press release probably misunderstood the concept of a triangle route, or do they actually intend to fly KMG-CTU-HEL-KMG?
Btw, did anyone react to Finavia talking about a triangle route? The person who wrote the press release probably misunderstood the concept of a triangle route, or do they actually intend to fly KMG-CTU-HEL-KMG?
Sep 26, 2017, 12:48 pm
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One Chinese airlines, one route policy is probably one of the reasons.
Sep 26, 2017, 2:22 pm
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You mean X-Y-Z flights counts as X-Z to the central government? It might well be. Although I don't see how this would apply here as there are zero Chinese airlines on any routes to HEL - leaving aside CA code-shares from PEK and PVG.
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Sep 26, 2017, 3:00 pm
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I don't think this policy is relevant for Finnish market.
Oct 11, 2017, 1:13 pm
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As for this particular KMG-CTU-HEL route, i don't know if this is relevant but KMG is around 7k ft. above sea-level. Can Lucky's A333 fly KMG-HEL non-stop without payload restriction?
Oct 11, 2017, 2:05 pm
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I'm not so sure about altitude. I have flown from BOG to LHR and MAD on Avianca A332. There are probably some performance differences between A332 and A333 but BOG is at 8000+ ft and BOG-LHR is longer flight than KMG-HEL.
Oct 13, 2017, 12:58 pm
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I did a quick search and notice KLM does the same thing on AMS-BOG (which as miikkak mentioned above, is another high-altitude airport). KLM operates AMS-BOG-CTG-AMS so non-stop ex-AMS but a stop ex-BOG due to payload restriction. So it's likely that the person did get the routing right and the CTU stop is designed to get around payload restriction issue ex-KMG. That's why there's a stop ex-KMG but non-stop ex-HEL.
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Oct 13, 2017, 1:34 pm
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Until the flight schedule is actually published, I wouldn't be so definite, as to whether it's a round-trip KMG-HEL flight with stop in CTU, or a triangle flight.
Oct 13, 2017, 1:55 pm
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I believe both flights are operated with payload restriction ex-BOG.
I did a quick search and notice KLM does the same thing on AMS-BOG (which as miikkak mentioned above, is another high-altitude airport). KLM operates AMS-BOG-CTG-AMS so non-stop ex-AMS but a stop ex-BOG due to payload restriction. So it's likely that the person did get the routing right and the CTU stop is designed to get around payload restriction issue ex-KMG. That's why there's a stop ex-KMG but non-stop ex-HEL.
I did a quick search and notice KLM does the same thing on AMS-BOG (which as miikkak mentioned above, is another high-altitude airport). KLM operates AMS-BOG-CTG-AMS so non-stop ex-AMS but a stop ex-BOG due to payload restriction. So it's likely that the person did get the routing right and the CTU stop is designed to get around payload restriction issue ex-KMG. That's why there's a stop ex-KMG but non-stop ex-HEL.