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Finnair (AY) company website dedicated for A350 fleet can be found HERE
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A350 Deliveries
OH-LWA (msn 18) delivered 7th Oct 2015 is the first Finnair A350 and started long-haul operations as AY57 to PVG on 21st Nov 2015.
OH-LWB (msn 19) was delivered 14th Dec 2015, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 19th Dec 2015.
OH-LWC (msn 20) was delivered 31st Dec 2015, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 3rd Jan 2016.
OH-LWD (msn 22) was delivered 25th Mar 2016, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 28th Mar 2016.
OH-LWE (msn 23) was delivered 29th Apr 2016, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 1st May 2016
OH-LWF (msn 28) was delivered 25th Jun 2016, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 27th Jun 2016
OH-LWG (msn 51) was delivered 29th Sep 2016, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 30th Sep 2016
OH-LWH (msn 97) was delivered 04th Apr 2017, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 5th Apr 2017
OH-LWI (msn 104) was delivered 02nd Jun 2017, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 5th Jun 2017
OH-LWK (msn 113) was delivered 30th Jun 2017, started long-haul operations as AY89 to BKK on 3rd Jul 2017
OH-LWL (msn 134) was delivered on 22th Sep 2017, started as AY 831 to LHR on 27th Sep 2017 and started longhauls on 29th Sep 2017 as AY89 to BKK.
OH-LWM (msn 264) was delivered on 13th Dec 2018, started long-haul operations as AY73 to NRT on 19th Dec 2018
OH-LWN (msn 273) was delivered on 13th Feb 2019, started long-haul operations as AY73 to NRT on 16th Feb 2019
OH-LWO (msn 300) was delivered on 26th Apr 2019, started long haul operations as AY141 to BKK on 29th Apr 2019
OH-LWP (msn 392) was delivered on 10th Feb 2020, started long haul operations as AY141 to BKK on 13th Feb 2020
OH-LWR (msn 410) was delivered on 1st Sep 2020, started long haul operations as AY141 to BKK on 8th Sep 2020
OH-LWS (msn 516) was delivered on 29th Dec 2021, started long haul operations as AY87 to PVG (cargo only) on 24th Jan 2022, first pax service on 28th Feb 2022 as AY9

Seating
2 different configurations exists.
J/46 Y/251: Features 2 J cabins. First 8 birds and 12th(LWA-LWH, LWM) has this config
J/32 Y/304: The minicabin is removed and replaced with Y seating. Babycots in 1L and 41L. Birds 9-11, 13, 15 (LWI-LWL, LWN, LWP) has this config, a.k.a. marsuhkki config.

Complete seatmap and layout of config 1 can be found HERE and config 2 is here.

Business Class features Zodiac Cirrus III full-flat bed seats in a 1-2-1 abreast config, all seats with direct access to the aisle. Config1 has two business class cabins, row1-8 and 9-12, while config2 only has one (row 1-8). Early reviews has preferred front cabin over minicabin, and for best window seat, row 2 or 1 may be preferable, row 1 for aisle seats.

As operations of A350 has matured, it has become practice to set the snack-bar on top of the cupboard in front of row 1, making row 1 experience a lot of foot traffic and noise.
Config2 also suffers from low toilet/pax quota (2 toilets / 32 pax) as the aft toilets has been assigned to the high density Y cabin, further contributing to high foot traffic in the front of the cabin. For these reasons, a seat further to the back may be preferable. However, all service start in the front and it will usually take a long time to get your meal in row 8.

For couples travelling together there is no clear choice. DH-seats are tilted towards each-other, but you still will not see the other person without leaning forwards. Seat across aisles (AD and HL respectively) has no barriers between them, but are tilted the wrong way and rows are also slightly misaligned.


Economy Comfort on A350 has the exact same seats as in economy, but with ≈4" inches more legroom. They also come with noise cancelling headphones, 1h internet, priority boarding and a small amenity kit.
Finnair platinums and OWE members can select these seats for free. (OWE must call to do so). Other passengers can select comfort seats for a fee, and seats are also sold after boarding.
On config1 comfort is row 21-25, while on config 2 comfort is row 21-24 + 25ABC and 25JKL. Row 21 is bulkhead and has slightly more space, as no seat reclines into the space. None of the configs has that super-space found on some retrofitted A330 though.

On config1 21AC and 21JL are the only paired seats making them preferable, but if you want to have IFE screen in the seat in front of you, pick row 22. On config2 all seats are in groups of 3, and it is also recommended to stay away from row 21 entirely, as it is entangled with the toilets.

In terms of space there are no seats in comfort cabin on either config that beats exit row 41A/C/J/L or 42A/L.



Economy Class features 3-3-3 abreast slimline seating with 32" pitch. The best seats are row 41 with most legroom on A/C/J/L (but they lack window), and row 42 A/L.
These are either labled "extra legroom" or "exit row" and are selectable with status or for a fee.
Economy cabin offers USB for charge - no AC outlets.


In-Flight Entertainment

IFE system is upgraded. Bigger screens, wider selection of movies and music, route mapper and control options. You can watch a movie from start to landing. You will have Bose noise-cancelling earphones in business class and in Economy comfort, and earplugs in economy class.
Wifi: you will see a code (in business class) in the screen when you open the IFE and select language. In economy class, you need to ask cabin crew for a voucher code if you are OWS/OWE, otherwise it costs you 7,95 per hour, 11,95 per three hours or 19,95 for the whole flight. It may take some time until up in the air to get it started. Log in is required, once you have created an account and password, the system will recognize you next time.

Quality issues and early refurbishment
The seats in business class have had many quality issues from day one. Apart from some inherent problems with the seat design, there are also malfunctions and abnormal wear.
As every row has slightly different pitch, fittings and trimmings have had to de adopted manually. Apart from causing delays in delivery, this also has led to many things in the cabin tend to come loose, to squeak and to break.

In june 2017 it was announced that Airbus has accepted responsibility for the quality issues and will replace every seat on every plane delivered until that point in time (9 birds).
The refurbish will take place during the first round of major maintenance round, scheduled to start later this year.

There is no information if there will be any changes made at the same time (addressing complaints about cramped seats and missing stowage space for example), but most likely this is treated as a warranty action and so cabin will be equipped with the exact same seats and layout, albeit with a newer batch of seats.

More details and discussion:
FAM (Familiarization) flights were ongoing within European destinations until the first A350 aircraft was put on regular long-haul service on 21st November 2015. Here is a list of FAM flights quoted by a FT'er.
The "famous" introduction list with initial experiences can be found in THIS thread
Discussion about the first long-haul services and experiences can be found in another THREAD

Links to many trip reports can be found in https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/finn...ion-links.html.










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Old Mar 4, 16, 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
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As for LF - I am repeatedly amazed at the LF Finnair seems to have in the front on its Asian flights. 90% seem to be the norm, often at 100%. And only a few of those pax heading to immigration in HEL.
Interesting to hear loadfactor remained high, despite larger J cabins.
February numbers are released on tuesday, so let's see what they say, but indeed January has slightly higher loadfactor *) compared to jan 2015 and 2014. Nowhere near the normal august high, due to the increased capacity in fleet.



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Old Mar 4, 16, 3:58 am
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger

Additional positives - better air, more silent cabin.

Weird thing is that they set up the bar on the top of the cupboard in front of 1A - if that's the norm, that seat might be one to avoid.
Ive had two legs on the A350, and none of them had any self service bar whatsoever. I had to ask to get some crisps and pralines.

I agree that the better air is one of the few benefits of the A350.
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Old Mar 4, 16, 4:03 am
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Interesting to see the J load factor development

How might the Jingle bells minicabin Y-upgraders twist the statistics?
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Old Mar 4, 16, 4:13 am
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Originally Posted by JoWa
Ive had two legs on the A350, and none of them had any self service bar whatsoever. I had to ask to get some crisps and pralines.

I agree that the better air is one of the few benefits of the A350.
My wife was complaining about the air, since you don t have an air nozzle above your seat.
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Old Mar 4, 16, 4:37 am
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Originally Posted by Ed Size
My wife was complaining about the air, since you don t have an air nozzle above your seat.
Most widebodies don't have them, IIRC
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All AY's current wide body birds have them except A350.
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Old Mar 4, 16, 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash
Interesting to see the J load factor development

How might the Jingle bells minicabin Y-upgraders twist the statistics?
On my routes the minicabin is in C use, I actually prefer 8A (bulkhead minicabin) and even if I'm in the front, there seem to be random seats available at OLCI. BTW - for this BKK-HEL there were 3 (!) seats available at OLCI to change my original choice to.

Of course there might be Y->C op-ups, but somehow I have a feeling those must be few if any. Points/voucher upgrades are a different kettle of fish, of course.

Good for AY to fill the planes
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Old Mar 4, 16, 6:26 am
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I am flying to NRT tomorrow (not on 350, though ), at OLCI there were maybe three seats available.
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Thanks Ed Size.

I found the A340 to ICN quite comfortable. I have A359 flights in April and May so will be able to compare.
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Originally Posted by Ed Size
My wife was complaining about the air, since you don t have an air nozzle above your seat.
If its too hot in the cabin the nozzles can be nice to adjust, but its noisy and not to healthy with the draught of recycled air.
And overall the new system gives much better change of air and makes you feel less dehydrated.
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What's the upload speed like? Any chance for a live photo, just for fun? (Or of 1A to see if we agree with you... 1A could be a food hoarder's dream).
A view of it, somewhat depleted by my repeated raids on the mini-Ritter spread
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Originally Posted by JoWa
If its too hot in the cabin the nozzles can be nice to adjust, but its noisy and not to healthy with the draught of recycled air.
And overall the new system gives much better change of air and makes you feel less dehydrated.
That was something my wife was complaining about - and actually thats one of the reasons she is forcing me to book AY flights.

I mostly not care, and I never feel dehydrated after a flight - as long as the GT is flowing.

I understand why people like the A350 design - but it s just not my cup of tea (like EK J or F), I will rather avoid it. But I m sure I will do a few BKK flights ths year, and my options are not too big - so what - as long as you know what to expect it s fine.
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What will happen during rough turbulence with those glasses and juice pots on that "bar table" ?

I see those as a risk for passengers sitting near by.
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I really dislike 1A turning into inflight refreshment center. Not only the stuff being there but also the foot traffic from people getting there, pouring stuff, making noise.
Yet another disappointment from the A350 cabin design.
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Originally Posted by intuition
airlineroute has the intra Europe schedule down to

but let's summon the oracle OH-LGG to be sure.
Yes. A350 will be moved from AY95/96 to AY69 on 16MAR so morning departures from HEL to LHR and BRU are then possible from 18MAR every two days.
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