The Finnair höpö-höpö (nonsense) thread
May 19, 2021, 12:27 am
#5551
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May 27, 2021, 9:05 am
#5553
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Originally Posted by AirFrance Finland
AIR FRANCE RESTARTS FLIGHTS FROM HELSINKI
We are happy to announce that as from July 6 we are restarting flights between Helsinki and Paris. Unlocking Paris and over 1000 other destinations around the world.
We are happy to announce that as from July 6 we are restarting flights between Helsinki and Paris. Unlocking Paris and over 1000 other destinations around the world.
May 27, 2021, 11:56 am
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Seems to be the case:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...fter-20-years/
May 27, 2021, 12:08 pm
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Well, I'll definitely say bienvenue to AF, but this has to be one of the weirdest additions to their network unless they've gotten into some argument with AY and the codeshare is coming to an end.
May 27, 2021, 1:09 pm
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Time will tell, I guess.
May 27, 2021, 11:42 pm
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AY domestic codeshares must be big for AF. I'm seeing transfer passengers very often on their domestic codeshares.
May 27, 2021, 11:50 pm
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The AF-codeshare on AY HEL-CDG has been an interesting one. Though I have no official info, what I've been able to gather over the years was that it was a hard block on the seats. Meaning AF pre-bought XX seats on the AY-plane as if they were flying it themselves. This meant that the seats could be completely sold out on AY-code but plenty available with AF-code (or vice-versa). I assume this also mean that if for example AY overbooked their allotment then they had to buy a seat from AF, and that if AF was overbooked in economy then an AF-passenger would be op-uped to business (not an AY-passenger). When flying the flight AF-coded, I received miles to a third party FFP with no problem.
May 28, 2021, 12:12 am
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This meant that the seats could be completely sold out on AY-code but plenty available with AF-code (or vice-versa). I assume this also mean that if for example AY overbooked their allotment then they had to buy a seat from AF, and that if AF was overbooked in economy then an AF-passenger would be op-uped to business (not an AY-passenger). When flying the flight AF-coded, I received miles to a third party FFP with no problem.
May 28, 2021, 1:01 am
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When AY broke up with LH (LH went for SK) AF tried to tie up AY with them. A code-share pact was announced at least in the Blue wings. It was cancelled before it began because AY had found BA to AF’s disliking. Few years later in 2001 the code-share flights were finally started. In the begining of 2000’s AY co-operated with everyone. Apart from OW airlines with AF, OK, SU, LO, LX, SR, TP, SN, OS, Rossiya, Air Littoral among others. Only SU and AF have remained.
May 28, 2021, 1:28 am
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Since AF and AY are from two camps (ST and OW), they are allowed only a few limited options to codeshare, buying a fixed amount of seats on every flight is among that. AF and OS had a similar deal on CDG-VIE for some reason. SK and LH had an arrangement to revenue share Nordic-Germany (including KF HEL-Germany) for about 10 years. The late 90s and early 00s created quite a few oddities.
May 28, 2021, 1:37 am
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FWIW, a few years back, somebody linked an AF business intern's master thesis mentioning that the deal with Finnair as a seat block. (I did not save the link though.)
(Did not expect the discussion to go this big. Maybe should be spun out.)