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ylefin May 1, 2015 3:53 pm

Finnair flies to Miami again in 2015-2016
 
Finnair starts flying to Miami nonstop already October 26 2015 for the winter season - two months earlier as winter 2014-2015. Nice, especially as my flight time Miami-Helsinki in January was only 8 hours 45 minutes because of strong jetstreams. Some turbulence, though

FFlash May 10, 2015 3:21 am

There seems not too many reports here describing how this route has been last winter season?

I would like to burn some upgrades and try non-stop to Miami next winter and curious of experiences, how was it during last winter:
-pricing, availability (I did check during winter and mostly saw awfully high prices ex-HEL) both Y and J
-hard product (is it only the old 340s?)
-soft product (any difference to other routes, cabin FA's, food etc, given flight times)
-upgrades Y to J availability or cash offers
Anyone?

Flythe96flag May 10, 2015 3:34 am

I didn't fly the route myself, but I hear the new J product did at least make an appearance on the route so definitely not restricted to only old 340s.

No idea of the frequency of new/old J though.

OH-LGG May 10, 2015 4:00 am

W 14/15 it was mostly new J and orginal AY A340. Only for a couple weeks on Thursdays that was LQF/LQG.

This aircraft to MIA is same that arrives from HKG around 6 AM and HKG is new J class -route.

And those two old A340s will disappear during next winter.

Flythe96flag May 10, 2015 4:08 am

Here, I found a trip report MIA-HEL from last winter.

intuition May 10, 2015 4:19 am

Since the demise of ftdashboad.net it is difficult to track. But according to my sources, MIA has seen these aircraft lately:
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OH-LGG May 10, 2015 4:28 am

This must be wrong:

2015-04-29 OH-LQA
MIA ended 21 MAR.

niksal May 10, 2015 4:41 am

Out of interest, what's the economic reasoning for this route? Who is the target market? Nordic leisure passengers?

Courmisch May 10, 2015 6:39 am

Yeah, it seems that a lot of Finns like to spend their winter vacation in Florida. I believe it is especially popular with retirees.

intuition May 10, 2015 7:00 am


Originally Posted by OH-LGG (Post 24793035)
This must be wrong:


MIA ended 21 MAR.

Sorry, this should be more correct:
Code:

2014-12-16 09:36    OH-LQE
2014-12-23 10:24    OH-LQE
2014-12-25 10:10    OH-LQF
2014-12-30 10:28    OH-LQB
2015-01-01 10:07    OH-LQF
2015-01-03 10:06    OH-LQB
2015-01-06 10:11    OH-LQC
2015-01-08 10:18    OH-LQD
2015-01-10 10:23    OH-LQE
2015-01-13 10:11    OH-LQD
2015-01-15 10:25    OH-LQE
2015-01-17 11:14    OH-LQB
2015-01-20 10:11    OH-LQE
2015-01-22 10:07    OH-LQD
2015-01-24 10:13    OH-LQC
2015-01-27 10:16    OH-LQB
2015-01-29 09:59    OH-LQD
2015-01-31 10:05    OH-LQE
2015-02-03 10:04    OH-LQE
2015-02-05 10:08    OH-LQC
2015-02-07 10:04    OH-LQD
2015-02-10 10:03    OH-LQE
2015-02-12 10:05    OH-LQB
2015-02-14 10:20    OH-LQE
2015-02-17 10:08    OH-LQD
2015-02-19 10:03    OH-LQE
2015-02-21 12:07    OH-LQE
2015-02-24 10:03    OH-LQB
2015-02-26 10:02    OH-LQD
2015-02-28 09:59    OH-LQB
2015-03-03 10:14    OH-LQF
2015-03-05 10:11    OH-LQD
2015-03-07 10:10    OH-LQB
2015-03-10 10:00    OH-LQC
2015-03-12 10:34    OH-LQE
2015-03-14 10:19    OH-LQD
2015-03-17 10:45    OH-LQC
2015-03-19 10:06    OH-LQD
2015-03-21 10:07    OH-LQE


Originally Posted by niksal (Post 24793061)
Out of interest, what's the economic reasoning for this route? Who is the target market? Nordic leisure passengers?


I reckon there must be some historic reason (other than leisure), because the route has regular non-leisuer flight numbers AY7/AY8

HJP May 10, 2015 7:24 am

The cheapest fare I saw for W14/15 was 350€, last minute booking 1-2 weeks before travel date through aurinkomatkat.fi.

I have flights booked with AA flight numbers for NOV/DEC15 and the price was ok (670€ Incl. MIA-AUA). The outbound flight on NOV28 seems to be on an old A340 while the inbound flight seat map shows the new layout.

mosburger May 10, 2015 7:34 am


Originally Posted by niksal (Post 24793061)
Out of interest, what's the economic reasoning for this route? Who is the target market? Nordic leisure passengers?

MIA is supposedly one of the worst US airports for connections but still a wide network of destinations in Latin America and Florida should he available?

And isn't there a O&D market between Helsinki and Fort Lauderdale?

FFlash May 10, 2015 8:30 am


Originally Posted by HJP (Post 24793425)
The cheapest fare I saw for W14/15 was 350€, last minute booking 1-2 weeks before travel date through aurinkomatkat.fi.

I have flights booked with AA flight numbers for NOV/DEC15 and the price was ok (670€ Incl. MIA-AUA). The outbound flight on NOV28 seems to be on an old A340 while the inbound flight seat map shows the new layout.

I did see this too, even if on AY most of the time their fares were high. Makes me wonder they have fairly good slice for Aurinkomatkat and it can be wise to look for them at least if last minute. Then, if you buy just flights from Aurinkomatkat, can you upgrade with AY voucher/points? Or are you limited to Aurinkomatkat's own upgrade pack, anyone knows? At least if you buy AA ticket on AY metal, you cannot use upgrade voucher/points by rule.

Flythe96flag May 10, 2015 8:34 am

I believe AA does have quite a good variety of Caribbean and South American destinations served from MIA. Even though it may not be comparable to say HEL in terms of connections, it would make it more convenient than connecting at JFK.

SPBanker May 10, 2015 9:10 am

Always lots of Russians flying to and from Florida.


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