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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Oct 20, 2018, 2:17 am
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This is nice: TLL - BKK for ca 1500 EUR in AY business
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Old Oct 20, 2018, 3:19 am
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Originally Posted by AhogZ
Quite nice price but miles are poor from/to HEL-TLL-HEL.(Y)
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Old Oct 20, 2018, 6:03 pm
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Going to NYC for Vappu, of course via DEL, which is the most logical choice, right?

HEL-DEL-HEL (Value) & DEL-HEL-JFK-DEL-HEL (I) for €2878. 92 000 points, as I will be Gold at that time. I know I'm too lazy, could probably have shaved off a hundred or so by starting the first ticket somewhere else.

But here comes the worst part: on my first DEL transfer, the masochist in me decided to stay in the city for 28 hours. I should never have read The Most Beautiful Hands of Delhi...
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Old Oct 20, 2018, 10:45 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005

But here comes the worst part: on my first DEL transfer, the masochist in me decided to stay in the city for 28 hours. I should never have read The Most Beautiful Hands of Delhi...
Is that a guide of Delhi manicures?

Anyway I'm going this week to Delhi. Maybe 10 times already in DEL but this time it will be mass tourism and DEL landside for couple of days.

BTW your travel plans sounds idiotic.
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Old Oct 21, 2018, 2:18 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Is that a guide of Delhi manicures?
Yeah, that's why I'm going Nah, it's a Swedish novel called Delhis vackraste händer that I bought at ARN and it's actually a really funny read that I would recommend for anyone who has some interest in Delhi, be it negative or positive. Vibrant and truthful descriptions about the city and the culture.

Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Anyway I'm going this week to Delhi. Maybe 10 times already in DEL but this time it will be mass tourism and DEL landside for couple of days.
I wish you the best of luck! You're strong, I believe you will survive!

Originally Posted by OH-LGG
BTW your travel plans sounds idiotic.
Oh, thanks! They really do. Too bad I'm not Platinum next spring. Would be great to tell the purser that I'm only transiting when she comes for the chat.
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Old Oct 21, 2018, 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
BTW your travel plans sounds idiotic.
I totally agree. So idiotic that I'd be very tempted to join Besides, I wouldn't mind spending a few days in Delhi again
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Old Oct 30, 2018, 12:29 pm
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How safe is CDG for direct turnarounds? I remember them pouring arrivals straight into the departure hall, but I'm not sure if they ever use bus gates there?
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Old Oct 30, 2018, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by lkrt
How safe is CDG for direct turnarounds? I remember them pouring arrivals straight into the departure hall, but I'm not sure if they ever use bus gates there?
Safe and CDG do not sound together

Seriously, dont trust on gate arrival. Anything can happen as of arrival formalities there. I have done many separate tix at CDG and allowed always enough playroom. So much enough to take a short visit to the lovely city!
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Old Oct 30, 2018, 1:01 pm
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CDG should be safe. Bus gates are used for the last arrival and first departure, but then you have the whole night to turn around. Otherwise, I reckon gate bridges are used.

There are occasionally passport checks though. In that case, it might be iffy time-wise.
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Old Nov 1, 2018, 6:17 am
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Celebrating Finnair's 95th Birthday there seems to be a sale at least for flights from HEL. In business JFK 1795€ and Miami/Los Angeles 2095€. In economy JFK 395€ and some very cheap European flights for example LHR and AMS under 100€.
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Old Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 pm
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How safe is a direct turnaround in LPA? Thinking about extreme...
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Old Nov 7, 2018, 2:42 am
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Though not on AY, I've done it and it was not complicated. Head for "arrivals" but make sure you find the "transfer" passage, it is a small stair case taking you to departure gates. I remember it as being behind a glass door.
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Old Nov 7, 2018, 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by lkrt
How safe is a direct turnaround in LPA? Thinking about extreme...
I don't have experience about transiting at LPA, but I'd say it's pretty safe. The plane stays on the ground for quite a while and IME they start boarding kind of late, usually. If you need to go landside, please note that there are two security checkpoints. The one in the main (Finnair) check-in hall can be very busy, but if you walk the long corridor to the other (northern) check-in hall (look for Binter Canarias check-in), there's another checkpoint which is dead quiet. It's mostly meant for Binter flights, I guess, but they've never turned me away. There's a duty free store right behind the check-point, which is quiet, too, so remember to stock up on cigarettes and alcohol. ^

To sit in an A321 for 13 hours in one day is really hardcore!
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Old Nov 7, 2018, 6:15 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
To sit in an A321 for 13 hours in one day is really hardcore!
Thanks for your tips! Ultimately I decided against it, exactly because of this reason. I would have to bring my own lunch with me.
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Old Nov 7, 2018, 10:21 am
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For anyone looking for European mileage runs in more comfort AY is selling AGP or MAD for 599€ rt in J. What makes this interesting now is the possibility to fly A333 to AGP on Fri or Sun from 14.12. onwards and even same plane returns are available. This is especially interesting for BA Executive Club members as HEL-AGP yields 140 TPs in J.
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