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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 1:26 am
  #1411  
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Originally Posted by intuition
Wow. They are doing more challenges when the system is already flooded with cards from matches, challenges and give-away---
Yes. In my opinion they could offer challenges up to Gold but no upgrade vouchers should be provided.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 1:36 am
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Originally Posted by lkrt
Yes. In my opinion they could offer challenges up to Gold but no upgrade vouchers should be provided.

I personally think they would be smart to offer challenges all the way to Platinum with no upfront status or limited status, they lose nothing, they can possibly gain a FF that flies alot. Personally I would do a challenge limited to Finnair flights only with 50% the qualification in 6months or 25% in 3 months like AA does. No vouchers up front of course but only after status is retained.

Straight matches are a loss leadleader but challenges can bring in extra revenue.

Thats how I originlaly switched to AA of course thats long gone. 3 years ago I was offered a match to SK and have requalified ever since over there.
​​​​​​Its not like Plat is that exclusive anymore with LUMO now ruling. But AY doesnt seem to do anything past Gold.

AY is now doing challenges for SK sonsoon There might be more Golds a coming 😁
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 1:41 am
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I agree, challenges can bring a lot of extra revenue and AY has been very passive in luring other airlines' customers to them. It's wise to target SK customers as many are now unhappy with the recent devaluations, loss of third-party lounges etc.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 1:44 am
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I agree challenges are better, but they might get fewer valuable FF than they think. There are currently a number of cards on the Nordic market that gets you EB status for free.

For example the SAS Amex Elite, currently free of charge, gets you complimentary EB silver without ever flying.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 2:38 am
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This is superbad. There are million SK*G card holders out there and they are really quick at the other side of the pond to catch up these kind of offers. One longhaul in J is nothing and then the upgrade vouchers flooding waitlistings again. I don't like this.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash
This is superbad. There are million SK*G card holders out there and they are really quick at the other side of the pond to catch up these kind of offers. One longhaul in J is nothing and then the upgrade vouchers flooding waitlistings again. I don't like this.
Unless the pond refers to Östersjön, I can soothe your worries:
Deltagarnas primära adress mĺste vara i Danmark, Norge eller Sverige.
But even so, there are a lot of tier members in this area. And since EB diamond can gift 2 silver or 1 gold yearly, they have the same situation with disproportional number of lower tier members.

So you are right in that upgrades vouchers are under hyper inflation right now.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 3:38 am
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So let all us Platskus be happy about the current wait list system where no one gets upgrades upfront but ours clear through wait list
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 3:49 am
  #1418  
 
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Originally Posted by lkrt
I agree, challenges can bring a lot of extra revenue and AY has been very passive in luring other airlines' customers to them. It's wise to target SK customers as many are now unhappy with the recent devaluations, loss of third-party lounges etc.
Indeed but rather odd to limit it to only residents of three countries... Wouldnt they want members in other countries to switch too 😂

I think alot of economy flyers are looking for new programs now on the SK side, so AY could easily get some to switch to AY but I doubt many EBDs will run for Silver 😁😁😁 or even Gold. Platinum being the new Gold at AY!
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 4:38 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
So let all us Platskus be happy about the current wait list system where no one gets upgrades upfront but ours clear through wait list
Hmmmh.
I think now is the time to run for Lumo. At least then my requests would be accomodated.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 4:59 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash


Hmmmh.
I think now is the time to run for Lumo. At least then my requests would be accomodated.
All my requests have gone through... So, still very happy with Plat-hood.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by kauppias

I think alot of economy flyers are looking for new programs now on the SK side,
Something going on on SK side?
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 5:03 am
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Originally Posted by SPBanker
All my requests have gone through... So, still very happy with Plat-hood.
I'm in the same boat, all requests cleared and last time was far into next year. Nothing in the tool or MMB but cleared within a couple of days by phone.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 5:07 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Something going on on SK side?
An overnight devaluation of award chart
Star Alliance Award Chart have been changed over night to the worse
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 5:33 am
  #1424  
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Something going on on SK side?
Originally Posted by ff_flyer
...combined with removal of YQ on those awards IIUC.

Using the saved monies from YQ towards purchasing points will make none the poorer I think.
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Old Nov 9, 2018, 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash


Hmmmh.
I think now is the time to run for Lumo. At least then my requests would be accomodated.
Need to sell the house first...
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