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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)
Apr 15, 2017, 4:48 pm
#841
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,167
Even for people going places a better earning to AY+ would be great. But since OW business fares only earns 125% there is little hope it'll change. And let's say finnair added a Y+ multiplier, it would only be 110% or so, not really enough.
If partner J was 200% then Y+ at 150% would be possible and attractive. But more likely (if anything) is that full Y and Y+ are 100% and the rest move down to 70 and 30 or so
If partner J was 200% then Y+ at 150% would be possible and attractive. But more likely (if anything) is that full Y and Y+ are 100% and the rest move down to 70 and 30 or so
Apr 16, 2017, 12:15 am
#842
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Helsinki-Vantaa APT, Finland
Programs: AY LUMO
Posts: 6,055
Could be yes but now we are talking MR here, not going somewhere or case not paying your own tickets.
CX HEL-SIN-HEL (via AMS) is 640,21€ with booking code V = 100% = 27680 points for AY+
and then HEL-SIN-HEL (via LHR) booking codes H E H B R B = 100% 27680 points is 1.273€ and PE seating and service is only on LHR-HKG and HKG-LHR. 4/6 flights are sold as PE but then it's:
Economy | Class H (Premium Economy not available)
Last edited by OH-LGG; Apr 16, 2017 at 12:20 am
Apr 16, 2017, 2:57 am
#843
Ambassador: Finnair
Join Date: May 2003
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Lumo, BA Silver, HHonors Gold
Posts: 4,267
Even for people going places a better earning to AY+ would be great. But since OW business fares only earns 125% there is little hope it'll change. And let's say finnair added a Y+ multiplier, it would only be 110% or so, not really enough.
If partner J was 200% then Y+ at 150% would be possible and attractive. But more likely (if anything) is that full Y and Y+ are 100% and the rest move down to 70 and 30 or so
If partner J was 200% then Y+ at 150% would be possible and attractive. But more likely (if anything) is that full Y and Y+ are 100% and the rest move down to 70 and 30 or so
But, OW is not what it used to be...so it is not only AY stepping away from it
Apr 16, 2017, 11:40 pm
#844
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Asia/Europe
Programs: CX, OZ, MU (+AY, DL), Shangri-La, Hilton
Posts: 7,236
Well said, CX level of service/hard product is often overlooked on this board as many have never actually flown with them..there is simply so much beyond AY tier points out there that it might come as a surprise to many 
(naturally not valid for people who fly solely for points..not because they actually need/want to go somewhere)
(naturally not valid for people who fly solely for points..not because they actually need/want to go somewhere)I tend to like that approach and as the hard product is one of the best in the skies, been rather happy during my 10 years enrollment in the MPC program.
However, I can clearly see that AY is making efforts on the service front after all the cost cutting programs before. So let's give them a chance.
Apr 17, 2017, 3:35 am
#845
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 229
Don't know best place to put this but maybe here...
so I have to go to NY in couple of weeks, our travel policy is very strict on cheapest possible. I have two options.
HEL - CDG - JFK - HEL (all AY marketed - I Class) --> 39 200 points
HEL - LHR - JFK - HEL (HEL-LHR-JFK AA marketed, JFK-HEL I Class) --> 29 000 points.
I like option 2, A350 to LHR, then AA 777. But less earning.
Option 1 is A320 followed by AA 767.
How is transferring at CDG? how is AA 767 business class? Option 2 worth the 10 000 points?
so I have to go to NY in couple of weeks, our travel policy is very strict on cheapest possible. I have two options.
HEL - CDG - JFK - HEL (all AY marketed - I Class) --> 39 200 points
HEL - LHR - JFK - HEL (HEL-LHR-JFK AA marketed, JFK-HEL I Class) --> 29 000 points.
I like option 2, A350 to LHR, then AA 777. But less earning.
Option 1 is A320 followed by AA 767.
How is transferring at CDG? how is AA 767 business class? Option 2 worth the 10 000 points?
Apr 17, 2017, 4:07 am
#847
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 229
Apr 17, 2017, 4:14 am
#848
Join Date: May 2014
Location: HEL
Programs: AY+Plat, ALL Plat, Scandic L2
Posts: 3,620
Unfortunately, the bus goes only clock-wise, so you have to circle all Terminals 2 buildings. It would be much faster from AA to AY. Then again, it is probably no slower than transiting in LHR and you won't have to go through security again. I can't say that CDG is worse than LHR. They are both somewhat bad.
WIth that said, the metal is definitely better via LHR than CDG.
Apr 17, 2017, 11:39 pm
#849
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vantaa, Finland
Programs: AY Lumo, FB Gold
Posts: 1,667
Is it just me or is this extremely contradictory? "cheapest possible travel policy" and I class. Does not compute.
Apr 18, 2017, 1:29 am
#851
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: HEL
Programs: No more status, free agent now
Posts: 163
Also OW lounges in CDG are bad compared to lounges in LHR T3 (especially CX lounge now), and may not have much lounge time after the bus "sightseeing" and US extra security.
On the other hand, when flying economy on AA and hoping to score an upgrade (op-up or SWU voucher) my experience is that LHR<->JFK is hardest due to very high number of business travellers. Other AA transatlantic routings like CDG-JFK, LHR-CLT seem to have more room/chance for upgrades. HEL-CDG-US is often a bit cheaper than LHR as well.
I have the same experience of AA metal CDG-US (angled seat) LHR-US (lie flat), i.e. LHR metal is probably better, but when it's an op-up, it's better than Y in any case. If you pay for J, it pays to choose more carefully... AA advertises that all their LHR-US flights are fully lie flat seats.
Another comment against CDG, people say that they have had more luggage trouble transiting CDG than LHR. I'm always carryon-only so can't say.
Apr 18, 2017, 1:47 am
#852
Join Date: Dec 2016
Programs: AY Silver
Posts: 240
OK, trying to hit Silver for first time with AY, I have 3 segments to go and until the end of April (yes I've left it a little late!). I'm trying to do it a) the cheapest way possible, and b) in the least time needed during the working days next week (24th-28th), I'll take my laptop to do work on plane/in lounge (if priority pass one available)/at airport (if no priority pass lounge). Couple of questions:
- Are AY likely to allow a little leeway in the cutoff date, as I have a flight 7th May (and the return for that 23rd May) which would mean I only need 2 segments not 3 in April? Is it worth contacting them to ask?
- Do flights like AY215 HEL-MHQ-TKU, or AY211 HEL-KOK-TMP count as 2 segments or 1? As HEL-MHQ-TKU then TKU-HEL direct seems the cheapest for 3 legs I can find at about €111 if that is 3 legs, it's all in one day with reasonable times, no nested bookings needed etc...
- Any other suggestions?!
Otherwise it's ~€190 for nested HEL-STO-HEL-STO-HEL, but the cheapest ones aren't great meaning travelling from ARN-BMA or vice versa each day and 2 very long days and late nights which is not ideal with a young family...
Thanks!
Edit - it looks like with ticket.fi AY211 is 2 separate legs as they warn the whole trip is 2 separate tickets/bookings and if you miss part of it you're stuck, it's a value fair so that makes 3000 points for the 3 segments... I wonder if this separate tickets is the case with all such bookings, as it's €96 on opodo.de but without the warning.
- Are AY likely to allow a little leeway in the cutoff date, as I have a flight 7th May (and the return for that 23rd May) which would mean I only need 2 segments not 3 in April? Is it worth contacting them to ask?
- Do flights like AY215 HEL-MHQ-TKU, or AY211 HEL-KOK-TMP count as 2 segments or 1? As HEL-MHQ-TKU then TKU-HEL direct seems the cheapest for 3 legs I can find at about €111 if that is 3 legs, it's all in one day with reasonable times, no nested bookings needed etc...
- Any other suggestions?!
Otherwise it's ~€190 for nested HEL-STO-HEL-STO-HEL, but the cheapest ones aren't great meaning travelling from ARN-BMA or vice versa each day and 2 very long days and late nights which is not ideal with a young family...
Thanks!
Edit - it looks like with ticket.fi AY211 is 2 separate legs as they warn the whole trip is 2 separate tickets/bookings and if you miss part of it you're stuck, it's a value fair so that makes 3000 points for the 3 segments... I wonder if this separate tickets is the case with all such bookings, as it's €96 on opodo.de but without the warning.
Last edited by FossilFlyer; Apr 18, 2017 at 3:37 am
Apr 18, 2017, 2:25 am
#853
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Seat 1L these days :)
Programs: AF Platinum/AY LUMO/SK EBG/baEC S/HYATT Globalist/MR LTP/A3 *G/HH Dia/IHG plat
Posts: 7,947
OK, trying to hit Silver for first time with AY, I have 3 segments to go and until the end of April (yes I've left it a little late!). I'm trying to do it a) the cheapest way possible, and b) in the least time needed during the working days next week (24th-28th), I'll take my laptop to do work on plane/in lounge (if priority pass one available)/at airport (if no priority pass lounge)....
I think cutting close on FT is more like being short 79000 points from hitting Gold 4 days before year end
Apr 18, 2017, 3:12 am
#854
Join Date: Dec 2016
Programs: AY Silver
Posts: 240
I realise my situation is small change in the grand scheme of FT things! Though to be fair this topic was started by someone aiming for their first AY silver via an MR...
Last edited by FossilFlyer; Apr 18, 2017 at 5:19 am
Apr 18, 2017, 4:51 am
#855
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY, SK, TK
Posts: 7,591