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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)

Old May 8, 23, 4:57 am
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Is bus transfer cheaper in TLL than gate ?
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Old May 8, 23, 5:04 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
Is bus transfer cheaper in TLL than gate ?
isn't that the case everywhere? Like why a ryanair flight will never have a jetbridge even if parked right next to one...
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Old May 8, 23, 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by Tuvv
isn't that the case everywhere? Like why a ryanair flight will never have a jetbridge even if parked right next to one...
At least HEL has same fare for both. Bus transport can be more expensive than the gate for airport operator.

Ryanair is special anyway, they have own procedures how to load and unload effectively. Even own stairs on 737.
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Old May 8, 23, 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by Tuvv
isn't that the case everywhere? Like why a ryanair flight will never have a jetbridge even if parked right next to one...
I have always thought the reason for this is speed. Deboarding and boarding will be quicker this way.
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Old May 8, 23, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by Tuvv
A thought just came to me, it has been all over the news here that ryanair has cancelled a lot of flights from TLL because of Tallinn Airport radically increasing airport fees for airlines, something like a 30% increase, maybe AY indeed are trying to cut costs due to increase in fees.
This seems to be a plausible scenario.

Lets wait until pax start missing their connection in HEL due to delays with this bussing hphp.

Also, looks like no direct turnaround possible now.

Looking at fr24, looks like ay1019 uses gate 2, but this makes sense with mostly European connections for the outbound flight.
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Old May 8, 23, 8:47 am
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For TLL Airport I cant find any details that stand would be cheaper than gate in commercial operations.

The new charge rates, in accordance with the 24.04.2023 decision of the Estonian Competition Authority, will apply from 10 May 2023 as follows:
  • Passenger charge will be 10,50 euros per departing passenger.  
  • Landing charge will be 7,50 euros per ton of MTOW.  
  • Passengers with disabilities (PWD) charge will be 0,30 euros per departing passenger. 
  • Same charges will apply on both international/domestic flights
  • Parking charges will remain unchanged
  • Parking fee:  free parking up to 6 hours – all cargo aircraft;  free praking up to 3 hours – all other aircraft;  non Tallinn-based aircrafts 1,53 EUR, but not less than 9,20 EUR
https://www.tallinn-airport.ee/en/pa...nd-incentives/
https://www.tallinn-airport.ee/wordp...01.01.2021.pdf
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Old May 8, 23, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by Tuvv
isn't that the case everywhere?
No.

But I can see that FR doesnt like bus gates since you are dependent on the bus service. With their ambitious turn-around times this poses a risk. There can be delays e.g. during rush hours.
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Old May 8, 23, 4:48 pm
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Originally Posted by florens

Some VIPs were onboard as well, who then had to share the same bus as everybody else.
You must be mistaken. intuition , miniSir and me were not there.
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Old May 9, 23, 12:11 am
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Originally Posted by florens
...

Some VIPs were onboard as well, who then had to share the same bus as everybody else.
Originally Posted by cistavoda
You must be mistaken. intuition , miniSir and me were not there.
Only true VIP was Pekka V, who could commandeer the entire business class bus for himself. And as he's with Metso now, I can't see that happening again.
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Old May 9, 23, 4:12 am
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No bus on my last few TLL-HEL flights, most recent on Monday.

I guess Ill see again in a few weeks when Im back from Asia/
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Old Jun 11, 23, 4:08 am
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What do you consider a good price for status points these days? Assuming of course that the flight is flown almost entirely for idiotic purposes.

​​​​​I'm trying to estimate BER-HEL-JFK-SFO in PE Flex, with the last leg being on AA. ~1190 for some 70810 points as plat, resulting in roughly 6,7 cents per point. Are there easy better deals to be found?

Obviously points promos are preferable, but PE Flex has the virtue of being cancellable.

Thanks to OH-LGG for mentioning this quirk in west coast flights in the newbie thread.
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Old Jun 11, 23, 6:48 am
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Originally Posted by Jyrsa
What do you consider a good price for status points these days? Assuming of course that the flight is flown almost entirely for idiotic purposes.

​​​​​I'm trying to estimate BER-HEL-JFK-SFO in PE Flex, with the last leg being on AA. ~1190 for some 70810 points as plat, resulting in roughly 6,7 cents per point. Are there easy better deals to be found?

Obviously points promos are preferable, but PE Flex has the virtue of being cancellable.

Thanks to OH-LGG for mentioning this quirk in west coast flights in the newbie thread.
That's return right?
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Old Jun 11, 23, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by Compliment
That's return right?
yes return according to math. I WONDER if one could easily book this as say ARN-HEL-JFK-LAX-HNL in PE Flex reasonably 😀😀
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Old Jun 11, 23, 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by Jyrsa
What do you consider a good price for status points these days? Assuming of course that the flight is flown almost entirely for idiotic purposes.

​​​​​I'm trying to estimate BER-HEL-JFK-SFO in PE Flex, with the last leg being on AA. ~1190 for some 70810 points as plat, resulting in roughly 6,7 cents per point. Are there easy better deals to be found?

Obviously points promos are preferable, but PE Flex has the virtue of being cancellable.

Thanks to OH-LGG for mentioning this quirk in west coast flights in the newbie thread.
You got it
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Old Jun 11, 23, 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by kauppias
yes return according to math. I WONDER if one could easily book this as say ARN-HEL-JFK-LAX-HNL in PE Flex reasonably 😀😀
Most HNL flights that the Finnair search engine gives are via SEA and not as attractive. Also, the final leg is on AS.

The more attractive deals seem to have AA as the last leg. I think AA's transcon A321 fleet doesn't have PE seating, but rather extra legroom Y.
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