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Current disadvantages on code share flights

Current disadvantages on code share flights

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Beware of codeshares!

If you decide to book a codeshare, no matter how seamless the airlines’ marketing departments make it sound, the following will apply:

Points and miles accrual:
Sometimes, a codeshare might be a good alternative pointswise.

Please note that the calculator at AY.com doesn't work for codeshare flights. You can select "Finnair Codeshare" as carrier, but it does not recognize status bonuses or ticket types (Basic/Value etc) even though you will get status bonus when crediting to AY+, and to some codeshare destinations, AY ticket types are available.

If you’re on AY flight number, you will always earn AY+ points, regardless of carrier. In the 100 % category you earn 1 point / km. In J, you earn the usual 200 % regardless of carrier. You will also earn the usual status bonus.

In some cases (seemingly in cases where the destination is served by both AY and partner metal), you may earn points according to zones.

If you’re on AY flight number and your flight is OW-operated, you will earn points/miles in all OW programmes according to said programme’s AY earning table.

If you’re on OW flight number and AY metal, you will earn AY+ points or points/miles in all OW programmes according to said programme’s earning table of your ticketed airline.

However, if you’re on *A flight number and AY metal, you will earn zero points in any programme (CA, TP). QUESTION: Is this really true? If you’re on HEL-PEK and CA flight number, will you at least earn points in the CA programme? Or in the TP programme for HEL-LIS?

Seat assignments:
Hit and miss depending on the airlines involved, the agent you talk to and other random criteria. Often, it won’t work at all, but sometimes a good agent manages to assign a seat. (At OLCI, will you be given a random seat, or is there a choice? Are many seats blocked at T-36?)

Economy Comfort on longhauls:
Not available to codeshare pax. Not for free for Platinums, and not against a charge for anyone. (Are these seats blocked at OLCI?) Sometimes, Y+ seats are sold at check-in, the gate or on the plane before departure. These are most likely available to codeshare pax. Can anyone confirm?

Pre-order meals in J:
Not available at MMB. A good agent will be able to assign a meal if you call (maybe chat, too).

Special meals (Y or J):
Works normally, however, one might need to contact CS.

Pre-order inflight sales:
Works normally.

Upgrades:
Not available on codeshare. You will need AY metal and AY flight number. The only exception would be a paid upgrade at the airport. See https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/finn...-upgrades.html for details.

OLCI:
Used to be problematic but this is mostly solved. You can OLCI at AY.com for AY-operated flights regardless of the flight number. The AY system recognizes all sorts of booking references and you may enter eg. your AA record locator on the AY check-in page.

What about AY flight numbers on other carriers? Do all carriers allow OLCI and recognize the AY/Amadeus booking ref?

Lounge access:
If you’re on OW metal and OW flight number, no problems. You may enter based on OW status or J ticket.

If you’re on AY flight number but non-OW metal, or if you’re on non-OW flight number and AY metal, you may or may not have lounge access. A list would be great.
- French domestic flights operated by AF, with AY flight number, will gain lounge access at CDG (what about other French airports?)

Schedule changes:
When the operating carrier makes a schedule change or cancellation, the ticketing carrier should be the one that you deal with. But this is not always the case, and airlines seem to accuse one another, and sometimes no one takes responsibility if the alternative you are presented with is not satisfactory.

IRROPS:
No experience. For last minute IRROPS, the operating carrier shuld be responsible.
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Old Feb 24, 19, 10:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Trav1970 View Post
Flying BA795 as AY5905 today. As a AY Lumo, Not eligible for fast track security. Well - time to dig up AX plat and to make a note to self on yet another reason to avoid this code share.
Yeah, that is just too bad a service. As the operating carrier pays for the fast track and BA is too cheap to do this at HEL, no access no matter what card or class you travel. Not at all confusing given that fast track is a clearly published benefit of OWE status.
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Old Feb 24, 19, 11:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Trav1970 View Post
Flying BA795 as AY5905 today.
Just curious because I fly this route often.... why this flight instead of AY1331?
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Old Feb 24, 19, 11:12 pm
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Originally Posted by napapiiri View Post


Just curious because I fly this route often.... why this flight instead of AY1331?
Price? I’ve noticed AY charges easily 2-3x more than BA. Although that probably doesn’t hold true if it was booked with AY code.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 2:50 am
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Originally Posted by napapiiri View Post


Just curious because I fly this route often.... why this flight instead of AY1331?
Stupidity. I didn’t pay attention to anything other than the connecting transatlantic flight and ended up with this.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 3:05 am
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Originally Posted by Trav1970 View Post

Stupidity. I didn’t pay attention to anything other than the connecting transatlantic flight and ended up with this.
I made that same mistake exactly once. Now I am much more careful.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 4:51 am
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It's appalling AY cannot get the fast track working for elites on all OW codeshares, not to mention on any flight at least for Lumos at HEL, AX can/is willing to do it so the more weird AY is so cheap charlie with this issue..
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Old Feb 25, 19, 5:02 am
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According to AY website a flight marketed by AY should qualify:

When you start your journey at Helsinki Airport, you are allowed to use the Priority Security lane if
  • you have bought a Finnair Business, Business Saver or Pro ticket OR
  • you are a Finnair Plus Platinum, Gold or Silver member and you’re travelling on a Finnair marketed flight (the flight number on your ticket begins with an AY-code).
https://www.finnair.com/fi/gb/inform...curity-control
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Old Feb 25, 19, 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by esledo View Post
According to AY website a flight marketed by AY should qualify:



https://www.finnair.com/fi/gb/inform...curity-control
Interesting. In any case gate did not open until I swiped the AX Plat. I did not bother to complain to the person working at the gate as I anyway had the AX Plat.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by Trav1970 View Post
Interesting. In any case gate did not open until I swiped the AX Plat. I did not bother to complain to the person working at the gate as I anyway had the AX Plat.
You should inform AX that they can retroclaim whatever they paid Finavia from AY .
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Old Feb 25, 19, 5:40 am
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Originally Posted by Trav1970 View Post
Interesting. In any case gate did not open until I swiped the AX Plat. I did not bother to complain to the person working at the gate as I anyway had the AX Plat.
Most likely the access is not coded into BA boarding pass at outstations. At least in the past marketed by AY / operated by BA elites had priority security at HEL.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 6:45 am
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I found out in BA lounge their system has no clue of what this Lumo thing is, so it had to be marked in as just Platinum. Even though, it should recognise OWE in this case, I would suspect BA system to misinterpret the data. Any Platsku to prove me wrong on this one?
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Old Feb 25, 19, 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by on22cz View Post
I found out in BA lounge their system has no clue of what this Lumo thing is, so it had to be marked in as just Platinum. Even though, it should recognise OWE in this case, I would suspect BA system to misinterpret the data. Any Platsku to prove me wrong on this one?
Like first time I went lounge in DXB, I was something lower that Platinum while ffay005 had female escort service to "first class" section.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 7:14 am
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Originally Posted by on22cz View Post
I found out in BA lounge their system has no clue of what this Lumo thing is, so it had to be marked in as just Platinum. Even though, it should recognise OWE in this case, I would suspect BA system to misinterpret the data. Any Platsku to prove me wrong on this one?
BA systems often tag me as non-status, even if I have status. In their screen it says EMERALD but group is 4+ and no lounge access/fast track etc. In those cases ffp number must be removed and re-entered until group1 appears on boarding pass. Sometimes this requires multiple attempts.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by reflektia View Post
BA systems often tag me as non-status, even if I have status. In their screen it says EMERALD but group is 4+ and no lounge access/fast track etc. In those cases ffp number must be removed and re-entered until group1 appears on boarding pass. Sometimes this requires multiple attempts.
This was not the case today. BP says group 1.
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Old Feb 25, 19, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by Trav1970 View Post
Flying BA795 as AY5905 today. As a AY Lumo, Not eligible for fast track security. Well - time to dig up AX plat and to make a note to self on yet another reason to avoid this code share.
BA795 and 798 are axed after Brexit anyway. No kidding.
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