Any day of the week that consistently has lower loads in biz (SIN-HEL)?
Just planning a trip in advance for my mother-in-law and with the dates being completely flexible I thought I'd do an upgrade on the return leg from SIN. Now I know I can check for upgrade availability ahead of time, but if the cabin fills up at a later date then I suspect those even with a confirmed upgrade will be involuntarily downgraded ahead of paying biz pax right?
So is there a certain day of the week when the biz cabin has slightly lower loads than other days? I assume weekends, where there will be less paying biz pax but probably more "bumps" from Y as the econ cabin oversells? |
I haven't heard of confirmed u/g being involuntary downgraded - would be quite an expensive excercise for AY due to EU/261.
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
(Post 23608320)
I haven't heard of confirmed u/g being involuntary downgraded - would be quite an expensive excercise for AY due to EU/261.
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
(Post 23608320)
I haven't heard of confirmed u/g being involuntary downgraded - would be quite an expensive excercise for AY due to EU/261.
But that coincided with equipment change, and what Aster suggests is a oversell of J with the intent of bumping F pax. That I haven't heard about. As for EC261/2004 and downgrades, the text says something like "not being transported in the travel class purchased". It is very likely that airlines like AY will claim Y is the purchased class, as they don't consider points transactions to be a purchase. As a matter of fact, when I was downgraded all AY ever said was "what are you upset about, you are getting your points back". My take on this is * All AY upgrades are to be considered standby and not confirmed * Compared to oversold Y, oversold J is extremely uncommon, ie F wont get kicked under normal circumstances * but with equipment change all bets are of. First people to be kicked out of J is F-pax and those travelling on corporate fares. * And finally tier status has no effect on who gets kicked |
The only time I've ever experienced oversold J is staff-tickets. AY seats off duty staff and their family in J cabin even when there are 42 sold J tickets.
Kind of shows the pecking order... |
Originally Posted by intuition
(Post 23608655)
The only time I've ever experienced oversold J is staff-tickets. AY seats off duty staff and their family in J cabin even when there are 42 sold J tickets.
Kind of shows the pecking order... |
Originally Posted by intuition
(Post 23608636)
As for EC261/2004 and downgrades, the text says something like "not being transported in the travel class purchased". It is very likely that airlines like AY will claim Y is the purchased class, as they don't consider points transactions to be a purchase. As a matter of fact, when I was downgraded all AY ever said was "what are you upset about, you are getting your points back".
Of course one can refuse the downgrade and demand a reroute in C - for longhaul that could be a more comfy solution. (or could eventually lead to an IDB) |
Originally Posted by aster
(Post 23613315)
Whoa, biz-paying pax were ousted from the biz cabin to make way for off-duty staff?
Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
(Post 23613473)
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Of course one can refuse the downgrade and demand a reroute in C - for longhaul that could be a more comfy solution. (or could eventually lead to an IDB) |
Originally Posted by intuition
(Post 23613789)
...but I was able to battle my way onto the next day AY operated flight.
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I made a complaint, mostly about they not notifying me about the downgrade and their indifferent attitude towards the upgrade instrument. I was given nothing and decided it wasn't worth the trouble persuing. As a matter of fact, getting the next day flight was difficult enough, and I believe someone had to bend some rules for that. So I was made grateful twice, getting the third best solution for free and for learning a valuable lesson about AY upgrades ;)
*) I got vouchers back despite reroute was in J, but I am pretty sure that was a mistake by AY. |
So in this case they can oversell without any consequences, and if too many pax show up they simply tell those with a confirmed upgrade to come back tomorrow as if nothing happened?
Getting back to the original question - is there a day of the week that consistently has at least slightly lower loads in biz? |
Originally Posted by aster
(Post 23629711)
So in this case they can oversell without any consequences, and if too many pax show up they simply tell those with a confirmed upgrade to come back tomorrow as if nothing happened?
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Originally Posted by SPBanker
(Post 23629832)
No, they don't do that. It was last-minute equipment change.
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If we are still talking about me, it was ex-NRT, so they knew about it at least 1,5 day before. No attempt to sovle the situation in any other way than to bumb me when arriving at airport.
But this is drifting off topic. You can PM me if you want to know more. |
An hour ago, I received an email offering a paid upgrade of 348 euros for SIN-HEL. This flight leaves SIN on Sunday 26OCT. The seat map showed all but three J seats empty. Whereas the seat map is not a reliable load indicator, it certainly hints that there's a lot of empty space in J.
Btw, I accepted the offer. I think 348 euros is good value for such a long flight even if the plane is a 340. What do you think? |
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