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HEL-JFK to be operated by wet leased LO 787

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Old Dec 13, 13, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Gnopps View Post
I noticed that there were already 3 reserved seats spread out in row 5, although they aircraft switch was recently done. Hopefully these aren't business passengers who got downgraded already due to unlucky seat reservations :-)
Hmm, KVS says that one seat in the "new" C is still free, so apparently nobody was downgraded. And we get true lie-flats. Win-win?
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Old Jan 8, 14, 4:59 pm
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Thumbs down

I flew back with my wife and daughter yesterday. While it was nice to try out the B787 (and sit in premium economy) the LOT staff could have been better.

We were one hour delayed taking off and very little information was given. After take-off, the seatbelt sign remained on for 30 minutes, with the flight attendants sitting in their seats. There was no turbulence so I would have hoped for quick service to go to sleep. As I went to the lavatory I found that the sink didn't drain and was full with water (with the plug open), the same problem was present in the next lavatory I tried. There was a FA close by and I alerted her (in a most courteous and smiling way), to which her reluctant response was "I'll enable it when I'm finished with what I'm doing now" in a curt tone. My IFE screen was loose so you had to hold it still with one hand all the time, or it would tilt back.

On a side note, this was my first time flying AY and in comparison to my usual carriers KL/AF/LH/TK the economy in-flight product wasn't very impressive. Also I'm not sure if regulation EC 2111/2005 applies to this flight, but there was no information about LO operating the flight. In my case it didn't matter though as I was kept updated by FT :-)

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Old Jan 9, 14, 12:31 am
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Originally Posted by Gnopps View Post
On a side note, this was my first time flying AY and in comparison to my usual carriers KL/AF/LH/TK the economy in-flight product wasn't very impressive. Also I'm not sure if regulation EC 2111/2005 applies to this flight, but there was no information about LO operating the flight. In my case it didn't matter though as I was kept updated by FT :-)
Hmm, my online itin did mention this being operated by the LOT. Of course I never made it to the flight, but that's another story...

My first 787 flight was a year ago SAN-NRT. One of the toilets kept flushing itself, so the FAs took out the door to make sure it was not used.
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Old Jan 9, 14, 2:34 am
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Originally Posted by SPBanker View Post
Hmm, my online itin did mention this being operated by the LOT. Of course I never made it to the flight, but that's another story...
Hmm, that might be because I had it booked with AA-code then. But my BP for example said AY 6 with no mention of LO.

Originally Posted by SPBanker View Post
My first 787 flight was a year ago SAN-NRT. One of the toilets kept flushing itself, so the FAs took out the door to make sure it was not used.
That automatic toilet (that flushes when you close the lid) really scared my 3-year old daughter. I was unaware of this and just closed the lid when we came in to the lavatory, prompting a lot of scary sound. It took some convincing to get her to sit on it after that..
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Old Jan 9, 14, 11:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Gnopps View Post
Hmm, that might be because I had it booked with AA-code then. But my BP for example said AY 6 with no mention of LO.
I may be wrong, but BPs don't mention the operating carrier, except if codeshare, which in this case it's clearly not - no LO flight number.
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Old Jan 9, 14, 11:52 pm
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger View Post
I may be wrong, but BPs don't mention the operating carrier, except if codeshare, which in this case it's clearly not - no LO flight number.
+1. I have the same experience.
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Old Jan 12, 14, 1:08 am
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger View Post
I may be wrong, but BPs don't mention the operating carrier, except if codeshare, which in this case it's clearly not - no LO flight number.
There would still be an LO flight number as LO are operating the flight. That flight number would only be used for ATC.
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Old Jan 13, 14, 5:38 am
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SP-LRD operated with Finnair flight number & call sign, like Wetleases can do:

Code:
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2014-01-08
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2014-01-07
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2014-01-06
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2014-01-06
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2014-01-05
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2014-01-05
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2014-01-05
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2014-01-04
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2014-01-04
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2014-01-03
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2014-01-02
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2014-01-02
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2014-01-01
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2014-01-01
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2013-12-31
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2013-12-31
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2013-12-30
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2013-12-30
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2013-12-29
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2013-12-29
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2013-12-28
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2013-12-28
AY6 	John F Kennedy Intl (JFK) - Helsinki Vantaa (HEL)		2013-12-27
AY5 	Helsinki Vantaa (HEL) - John F Kennedy Intl (JFK)		2013-12-27


http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/sp-lrd

http://planefinder.net/data/airplanes/sp-lrd

What flight number is used varies wildly. BE nordic operates AY 19x wetlease flights using the Finncomm call sign, EN uses LH call signs when on wetlease, etc etc. Often the legal requirements of the transit/destination country require different call signs and transponder coding to fulfill slots, bilaterals etc etc. My favorite story is the Austrian B763 owned by Lauda operated by Condor crew for Lufthansa on the MUC-DEL route in 2004. It was painted in *A colors.
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Old Jan 13, 14, 6:58 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
BE nordic operates AY 19x wetlease flights using the Finncomm call sign,
Flybe is AY 2xxx. Except 21xx/21xx HEL-LED-HEL are some days operated by AY.

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Old Jan 13, 14, 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
Flybe is AY 2xxx. Except 21xx/21xx HEL-LED-HEL are some days operated by AY.
19x signified Embraer 190 series.

AY 2xxxx has callsigns as FCOM2xxx. An example:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...935Z/EDDM/EFHK
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Old Jan 13, 14, 8:20 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
AY 2xxxx has callsigns as FCOM2xxx.
No. Callsigns for AY2xxx are FCMxxx(x), as FIN and FCM callsigns can be alphanumeric.
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Old Jan 16, 14, 1:53 pm
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HEL-JFK to be operated by wet leased LO 787

Is Finnair back to their own planes?
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Old Jan 16, 14, 3:40 pm
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Is Finnair back to their own planes?
Yes, since 8th Jan. Has been OH-LTM (A333) since.
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Old Jan 16, 14, 3:46 pm
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Is Finnair back to their own planes?
Yes back to A333 from 8 January.
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Old Oct 11, 14, 6:28 am
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Slightly off-topic, and all the more interesting. Now it's DY's turn to lease a B787 by LO. Here's a link to the source http://lotnictwo.net.pl/263-polskie_...ml#post1058837 (copied from another forum).

As I don't read Polish, perhaps someone could dissect whether this is a lease or a wet-lease? Methinks the former, as DY are already operating said aircraft model.
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