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Old Sep 3, 17, 9:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Big_Foot View Post
I'm not bitter. It was great while it lasted. Today the best opportunities
are cheap tickets, flying J to Europe for less than $1000 pretty much makes
any effort to collect miles stupid.
I just don't like any liars advertising the non-existing systems just
to attract a crowd of newbies and make money from their innocence
You seem to be a bitter fool. Sure things have changed, but I have changed with the times. I have been doing this hobby (cards only) since the early 2000's and all I can say is I'm at 1.2M miles and points YTD 2017 with no MS and just came back from a $13K trip to Europe spending less than $400.00. I also like to experiment. That's gotten me more miles and points over the years than you can imagine.
I don't really go to the seminar to learn anymore. I go to catch up with old friends and share my ideas and successes with other attendees (and maybe brag a little bit at the bar. ). I'm happy to share. All you have to do is ask (which is the spirit of most attendees).
Oh, and as Howie has mentioned, all proceeds go to charities after expenses and the speakers do it gratis. Why don't you move on.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 9:50 am
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The thread has been split off from the seminar thread (which is why most of the posts have to do w/ the seminar event). But it is an interesting question - is MS, etc, 'dead'? Is flying & sleeping in hotel rooms the only way to rack up points? Discuss/thoughts....

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Old Sep 4, 17, 10:45 am
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FTUs are most certainly 'for profit' events but still well booked, even so that they opened the FTU 'advanced' seminars which cost even more.... there must be a value proposition somewhere
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Old Sep 4, 17, 8:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Big_Foot View Post
I'm not bitter. It was great while it lasted. Today the best opportunities
are cheap tickets, flying J to Europe for less than $1000 pretty much makes
any effort to collect miles stupid.
I just don't like any liars advertising the non-existing systems just
to attract a crowd of newbies and make money from their innocence
You do sound bitter, cynical maybe even jealous.
As one who has worked the registration desk for a few of these seminars, I marveled at sold out crowds ( many seminars SRO only).
If you can fly on your ash, perhaps you are richer ( in terms of money only!) that you don't need miles/points from sign up bonuses or MS. If you have so much money you should start a blog a la Lucky ? Just don't post referal links. You will be doing good work.

BTW a lot us don't travel to Europe that often...I can tell you we enjoyed a long haul in F ( ttl flying 22 hours) in F in an A380 and an A646 with chef on board. $ 13000 PP.
So Howie & gang, never mind these skeptics, full steam ahead.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 8:16 pm
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Been there six years ago !
If I recall correctly, we were there five years ago.

At literally the very last minute, I was called upon to give a half hour presentation about FlyerTalk. I had no idea what I was going to say to a large room so filled with people that it was standing room only; so I “winged” it while I was up there, talking about some functionalities of how FlyerTalk works — as well as some stories of how I benefited from FlyerTalk over the years.

After the presentation, I was stunned with how I was inundated with questions about FlyerTalk about which I thought everyone already knew the answers; and I was more than happy to answer them...

...so based on that experience alone, I am personally not convinced that there is “nothing to learn” at the Chicago Seminars — and I was not paid one single penny for giving that presentation. I was honored to be able to do it; and I would do it again in a heartbeat.

I also lead a breakout session pertaining to the Hilton HHonors program. I thoroughly enjoyed doing that as well.

As for the money: SkiAdcock does an excellent job of increasingly setting the bar for charitable donations every year. The Chicago Seminars is not for profit.
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Old Sep 5, 17, 10:39 am
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Even if one can scrape the bottom of the barrel for miles what's the bloody point if you can't spend them on anything you want.

I have millions of miles too. Because it's often impossible to use them. Or less expensive to buy a business class ticket.

The P&M game isn't dead. But it's definitely a shadow of its former self. And it's not just on the earning but the burning too.
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Even if one can scrape the bottom of the barrel for miles what's the bloody point if you can't spend them on anything you want.

I have millions of miles too. Because it's often impossible to use them. Or less expensive to buy a business class ticket.

The P&M game isn't dead. But it's definitely a shadow of its former self. And it's not just on the earning but the burning too.
If you have a "problem" spending miles please PM me.
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Old Sep 6, 17, 4:44 am
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Originally Posted by general45 View Post
You seem to be a bitter fool.
and you seem to be simply a [redacted]. Making up stories over here
is probably your way to [redacted]...
Flying First sometimes will not help you forget about it, sorry.

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Old Sep 6, 17, 7:40 am
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Originally Posted by Big_Foot View Post
Really? Miles and points are dead, you should have started being
interested in this 10 years ago, now there is nothing to learn. Those events
are only organized to make some money of the innocent victims like you.
I think this is a bit dramatic. The event itself doesn't make a direct profit and there is a good charity donation project as part of it.

Of course the presenters who have blogs or represent other businesses certainly have a potential to indirectly benefit from presenting there, by way of the exposure possibly increasing interest and readership (and selling of affiliate links, award booking services, or what have you) of their blog or other business. That in itself is neither good nor bad. Whether a particular entity's product/service offerings are worthwhile, is another discussion.

I guess like anything else, if you don't see a benefit for the price, then don't go. I went to Chicago once in 2011 I think. It was OK, some sessions better than others. No earth-shattering secret revelations or anything. The talk by Pudding Guy was cool. I didn't feel I was an innocent victim getting ripped off, in any case.

I haven't been since. This year's lineup of presenters doesn't really appeal to me and I doubt I'll go in the future. Just my two pennies.
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Old Sep 6, 17, 8:05 am
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If you have a "problem" spending miles please PM me.
Drat - you beat me to it! My current finances don't allow for buying biz class tickets & I've always been able to redeem miles/points for both hotels & airline tickets.

Whether one finds (any) seminar event to be of value is up to an individual & what they're seeking to learn at the seminars. It's not a one size fits all. I don't consider any to be a 'rip off' per se, and folk attending any should do some due diligence just as they do w/ other things.

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It's $105. OK, you've got to get to Chicago but the organisers aren't seeing a penny of that.

If it was $495 then you might have a valid point but come on ....
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Old Sep 6, 17, 9:31 am
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I call all the posts like this one a complete 100% BS. Sorry.
You can brag as long as you want. What looks like a duck is simply a duck.
I have been to a number of seminars, in the earlier days of FT, say 12-13 years ago. At that time if any money was charged, it was for the room, or food provided. Maybe $10-20.

I've seen many seminars since, from reasonable sounding ones that charge $50-100 for a single day event, to $300 and up multiple day events. The latter seeming less of a deal.

I'd imagine that setting up these events is expensive, so reasonable costs are expected. I think the networking possibilities might eclipse the value of the other info.

Much of the Golden Goose travel deals are in the past, but there are great deals in most areas on a weekly basis. With the huge amount of people looking for the $100 RT in International F that they read about swarming on any publicly posted deals, your timing has to be impeccable. And of course that the deal is honored.

Having personal contacts, underground deals and the like is where so much is happening lately. If you can do that at a seminar, great.

Sure, we want to find the next Pudding Guy, or Car Rental Guy deal, but most likely it will never be posted about.
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Old Sep 6, 17, 11:04 am
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the presenters who have blogs or represent other businesses certainly have a potential to indirectly benefit from presenting there, by way of the exposure possibly increasing interest and readership (and selling of affiliate links, award booking services, or what have you) of their blog or other business.
of course, I thought it was obvious. Like those guys:



Innocent victims "discover" their AMAZING blog and click, click, click.
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Old Sep 6, 17, 11:17 am
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If you have a "problem" spending miles please PM me.
No problems.

Sir, I am African frequent flyer prince having many millions in miles and am needing a partner to help me. I will give you some of these millions for your help in transferring them. Kindly forward your name, social security number, bank account number and frequent flyer number and I will process the transaction where we win and win together. Your haste in doing this is well and good. Do not tell anyone though as this is only secret benefit for just you.



I happen to be in Tanzania right now so this offer seems apropos.
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Old Sep 6, 17, 11:19 am
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of course, I thought it was obvious. Like those guys:



Innocent victims "discover" their AMAZING blog and click, click, click.
I ( & I dare say all) are wondering SO WHAT ? Do you think all humans are Christs or Gandhis that they want nothing more than a loin cloth and a slice of bread ? ?
These sponsors add value to the event by way of fees ( goes to charities), exposure to new ideas for those of us who did not learn it in while in the womb! I wonder where you learned what from whom to be where you are

I have conversed with both Daraius & Emily in the photo as have hundreds others along with other sponsors. I don't remember them benefiting from me save I recommend their blog to newbies.
A reasonably intelligent person will take what benefits them and just in case it benefits the sponsors, so much the better. Alas nothing much to take away from your posts.

Me thinks thou doeth protest too much. Maybe you have an agenda ?
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