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Events are only organized to make money of the innocent [split off from CHI Seminars]

Old Nov 27, 17, 2:28 am
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Adam, you really need to relax a bit. There are many reasons why a post may be written when it would not otherwise be written - perhaps the owners of the two business are friends, perhaps the other company is advertising, perhaps the author wants to curry favour with a certain business (for clarity, I have done all of these) ..... paying $5 commission is pretty low down the scale.

(I traded a 400 conference ticket recently for a brief mention - not a recommendation, a mention - of the event on my site, albeit I got no commission on sales generated.)

As I see overnight that the Koch boys have just helped acquire one of your most public promoters of climate change, in order to silence it, I suggest you turn your energies that way.
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Old Nov 27, 17, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Adam, you really need to relax a bit. There are many reasons why a post may be written when it would not otherwise be written - perhaps the owners of the two business are friends, perhaps the other company is advertising, perhaps the author wants to curry favour with a certain business (for clarity, I have done all of these) ..... paying $5 commission is pretty low down the scale.

(I traded a 400 conference ticket recently for a brief mention - not a recommendation, a mention - of the event on my site, albeit I got no commission on sales generated.)

As I see overnight that the Koch boys have just helped acquire one of your most public promoters of climate change, in order to silence it, I suggest you turn your energies that way.
I understood sbm's post to say that organizers were using a commission system to get bloggers to write posts and sell tickets for their events. That's what I was responding to. You are okay with a system of travel blogs that purports to peddle disinterested advice when it is not. I'm not. I see no reason I should relax and be okay with such deception of readers, many of which have no idea that they're being taken advantage of.

And thanks for your concern, but I'm quite adept at focusing my energies on pressing global issues while also having concerns about deceptive marketing by bloggers.
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Old Nov 27, 17, 7:14 am
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Your view that money is effectively the root of all evil is, whilst worryingly religious for my agnostic European cultural framework, also simply not true.

You see, weirdly - even if you were purely interested in running a blog for making money from it - you don't make money by simply writing about things that make you money. Even TPG has a relatively low 'credit card shrill to general travel news' count. You make money by writing about things that interest your readers, so you get more readers. And once you've got some readers, you can make a bit of money off them from commission on things they were going to do anyway. THAT is how you make money off a blog.
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Old Nov 27, 17, 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Your view that money is effectively the root of all evil is, whilst worryingly religious for my agnostic European cultural framework, also simply not true.

You see, weirdly - even if you were purely interested in running a blog for making money from it - you don't make money by simply writing about things that make you money. Even TPG has a relatively low 'credit card shrill to general travel news' count. You make money by writing about things that interest your readers, so you get more readers. And once you've got some readers, you can make a bit of money off them from commission on things they were going to do anyway. THAT is how you make money off a blog.
I have no idea what your first paragraph is referring to.

I also have no problem with people making money off blogs. I have said there should be open and transparent disclosure of profit incentives or following journalistic standards for conflicts of interest. Either way you could still make money. If you'd make less money if readers knew you were pushing attendance at an event because you were getting a cut of the ticket, that is instructive.
If your content is truly awesome and useful, people will keep reading even with proper disclosures. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

Well have to disagree about what percentage of TPG and other sites is actual useful information versus credit card ads or material stolen from other sites with links added in, or "news" posted days after more reputable sites have.

This thread is about "seminars" that are really business operations, not community building events. Paying commissions to other bloggers who then promote the events misleadingly portraying them as the latter supports that notion. Some may still have good content, but others do not. They should stand on an honest disclosure of what they are.
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Old Nov 27, 17, 4:41 pm
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http://www.pointswithacrew.com/frequ...tle-free-book/

Disclosure – I receive a commission if you buy tickets through my link.
Seems like disclosure to me...
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Old Nov 27, 17, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
Cool story bro. I asked if there were disclosures , and the response was no. If everyone is disclosing, great.

alas:
http://travelwithgrant.boardingarea.com/2017/06/21/10-off-frequent-traveler-university-ftu-expo-signature-tickets-chicago-november-17-19/

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/06/21/frequent-traveler-university-chicago-tickets/

https://millionmilesecrets.com/2017/06/21/frequent-traveler-university-chicago/amp/

And no, a "Some links on this post lead to me making money guess which ones haha" disclosure is not sufficient in my book.
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Old Nov 28, 17, 12:12 pm
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Cool story bro.
Apparently your desire for more information is a big yawn and time for snark when someone actually does what you want? OK.

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Old Nov 28, 17, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
Apparently your desire for more information is a big yawn and time for snark when someone actually does what you want? OK.

Anyways, what credit card ads is FT serving you these days? Since we're all about the moral high ground here.
My apologies if your post was intended to provide information and not be snarky. You didn't provide any context but a link to a single website, which may or may not have been one of the several that SBM12 was referring to. If your point was merely to say, "It appears that at least one site does have a proper disclosure," thank you for sharing that information. As indicated, though, that does not actually change the fact that other sites do not. (Good ole Tiffany at OMAAT just did another one http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...-seattle-sale/)

I'm not sure what your second reference is to, but right now I am looking at one for the Platinum Delta Skymiles Card and another for the American Express Premier Rewards card. (They're clearly ads, not "advertorial," so the disclosure issue isn't the same.)
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Old Nov 28, 17, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam1222 View Post
My apologies if your post was intended to provide information and not be snarky. You didn't provide any context but a link to a single website, which may or may not have been one of the several that SBM12 was referring to. If your point was merely to say, "It appears that at least one site does have a proper disclosure," thank you for sharing that information. As indicated, though, that does not actually change the fact that other sites do not. (Good ole Tiffany at OMAAT just did another one http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...-seattle-sale/)
Absolutely.

I guess I mean to say I don't find IB to be non-problematic as a pusher of credit card products and operator of FT (not that it keeps me from posting here). Everyone has an angle. Bloggers, seminar holders, IB, FT posters who want multi-thousand dollar premium travel products for pennies on the dollar... so I guess this piuts me more on Raffles and sbm12's side of things. -shrug-
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
Absolutely.

I guess I mean to say I don't find IB to be non-problematic as a pusher of credit card products and operator of FT (not that it keeps me from posting here). Everyone has an angle. Bloggers, seminar holders, IB, FT posters who want multi-thousand dollar premium travel products for pennies on the dollar... so I guess this piuts me more on Raffles and sbm12's side of things. -shrug-
And the commercial nature of FT is certainly a valid topic of discussion in my book. The specific issue here is whether an ordinary reader reading a post about how great an event like FTU Is understands that the blogger has a direct financial stake in selling that event. There seems to be a conflation here between my call for transparency and a suggestion that all for-profit behavior is bad. I never said the latter. If every blogger who wrote about FTU and stood to make commission off ticket sales had the clear disclosure you identified, I truly would not have an issue with the blogger posting about FTU.
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Old Nov 28, 17, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam1222 View Post
And the commercial nature of FT is certainly a valid topic of discussion in my book. The specific issue here is whether an ordinary reader reading a post about how great an event like FTU Is understands that the blogger has a direct financial stake in selling that event. There seems to be a conflation here between my call for transparency and a suggestion that all for-profit behavior is bad. I never said the latter. If every blogger who wrote about FTU and stood to make commission off ticket sales had the clear disclosure you identified, I truly would not have an issue with the blogger posting about FTU.
I agree that it's easy to just say "Disclosure – I receive a commission if you buy tickets through my link" or words to that effect. Transparent and simple. Fair enough to be disappointed in a lack of that.

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Old Sep 4, 19, 3:41 am
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Another event organizer has entered the wonderful world of travel hacking seminars:

https://fbzelitesummit.com/
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Another event organizer has entered the wonderful world of travel hacking seminars:

https://fbzelitesummit.com/
The photo of attendees taking a photo makes me shudder.
"Epic", "elite", "awesome"
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The photo of attendees taking a photo makes me shudder.
"Epic", "elite", "awesome"
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so.much.cringe
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Old Feb 9, 20, 5:31 am
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Tiffany makes a plug for the next FTU at OMAAT: https://onemileatatime.com/frequent-...er-university/

https://ftuniversity.com/events/
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