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Old Nov 19, 17, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
I find the market for miles/points bloggers to be rather saturated, and it really is not my cup of tea. For me as a reader, the blog market in this space was more interesting several years ago. But in this regard, I've got way more in common with you than with OMAAT and the other FT-spawned bloggers.

OMAAT was never really all that interesting to me, but I couldn't but be amused and satisfied by a rather young kid taking their hobby from FT and making it into a rather lucrative business venture that stays on the correct side of the law AFAIK and generated the blog/blogger a rather lucrative stream of money out of what had been the then-kid's hobby. Lot of significantly older adults who considered themselves to have "traveled extensively" and had FT as a base didn't consider monetizing their knowledge/resources and experiences. Not sure what that says about who is more naive or less.

With experience comes wisdom? I wouldn't be all that sure about that. More generally, with experience comes knowledge, not necessarily wisdom.

Rookie mistakes? I think we all make some of those. But not everyone has the confidence to expose themselves as not being perfect, even when not a rookie.

Let's make this a bit more simple: if the FBI, in the course of an investigation, asked you if OMAAT's founder had traveled extensively or not at all, what would you say?
i would say that while he has been to a lot of places he hasnít actually traveled extensively in the sense that he hasnít explored the places or bothered to understand the cultures he has visited in depth.

Not saying that in a judgey way. Just as an observation.

Shrug.

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Old Nov 19, 17, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz View Post
i would say that while he has been to a lot of places he hasnít actually traveled extensively in the sense that he hasnít explored the places or bothered to understand the cultures he has visited in depth.

Not saying that in a judgey way. Just as an observation.

Shrug.
Understanding cultures in depth by being a tourist? I am pretty sure that is a pretentious pipe dream compared to realizing that for the most part there is more diversity within a national culture than between different national cultures and thus trying to play expert cultural anthropologist is really for the academics and academic wannabes. OMAAT puts on none of that pretension, right?
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Old Nov 19, 17, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
Understanding cultures in depth by being a tourist? I am pretty sure that is a pretentious pipe dream compared to realizing that for the most part there is more diversity within a national culture than between different national cultures and thus trying to play expert cultural anthropologist is really for the academics and academic wannabes. OMAAT puts on none of that pretension, right?
no. I disagree. I believe the point of ĎTravelí (as opposed to Ďvacationí) is to expand my understanding of different places and cultures by getting a taste of them, trying to respect them and, if appropriate, appreciating them. That applies whether otís to the week I spent in Jordan last year or the weekend I just spent in rural southeast Texas.

But thatís just me and others prefer cruises and all-inclusives.

To each their own.
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Old Nov 19, 17, 6:25 pm
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no. I disagree. I believe the point of ĎTravelí (as opposed to Ďvacationí) is to expand my understanding of different places and cultures by getting a taste of them, trying to respect them and, if appropriate, appreciating them. That applies whether otís to the week I spent in Jordan last year or the weekend I just spent in rural southeast Texas.

But thatís just me and others prefer cruises and all-inclusives.

To each their own.
Getting a taste of some culture is far different than understanding a culture in depth. Iím certainly not the kind of person who would be considered a ďmanagedĒ traveler, but I am also not pretentious enough to assume that my interests in travel make me a national cultural expert in the course of a couple of weeks or less of annual paid vacation.
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Old Nov 20, 17, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
Getting a taste of some culture is far different than understanding a culture in depth. I’m certainly not the kind of person who would be considered a “managed” traveler, but I am also not pretentious enough to assume that my interests in travel make me a national cultural expert in the course of a couple of weeks or less of annual paid vacation.
And getting a taste of culture, even during your two weeks, is still > experiencing same culture from the chain hotel lounge.
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Old Nov 20, 17, 11:08 am
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And getting a taste of culture, even during your two weeks, is still > experiencing same culture from the chain hotel lounge.
Often, yes. Either way, it’s still not understanding a national culture in depth. Then again there is generally more diversity within the national culture than there is across national cultures, so travel may not even be a necessary condition to understand a culture in depth.
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Old Nov 20, 17, 1:59 pm
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Often, yes. Either way, itís still not understanding a national culture in depth. Then again there is generally more diversity within the national culture than there is across national cultures, so travel may not even be a necessary condition to understand a culture in depth.
Sure. But one might at the very least expect a "traveler" to read the 'history and culture' section about a country or city in Lonely Planet before leaving the confines of an upgraded western hotel room and lounge, mightn't one?

More to the point, Ben seems to lack any curiosity or desire to learn about different countries, cultures or places. Over and over when he runs into different cultures or norms he ends up frustrated or looking foolish. Which, again, is fine: he likes the bubble he stays in most of the time. But I would say that makes him a 'professional vacationer,' not a 'professional traveler.'

YMMV!
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Old Nov 20, 17, 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz View Post
Sure. But one might at the very least expect a "traveler" to read the 'history and culture' section about a country or city in Lonely Planet before leaving the confines of an upgraded western hotel room and lounge, mightn't one?

More to the point, Ben seems to lack any curiosity or desire to learn about different countries, cultures or places. Over and over when he runs into different cultures or norms he ends up frustrated or looking foolish. Which, again, is fine: he likes the bubble he stays in most of the time. But I would say that makes him a 'professional vacationer,' not a 'professional traveler.'

YMMV!
Hasn't this topic been beaten to death? At the end of the day it's subjective and he seems to make a healthy income off the website. Believe me, there would be even MORE negative feedback if Ben actually tried to document his travels beyond what he does now. He covers miles, points, premium cabins, and airline gossip. People complain he doesn't do more, but when he does they complain how bad it is. So I don't get the point of continually debating/discussing if he's an expert traveler.
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Old Nov 21, 17, 6:42 am
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Hasn't this topic been beaten to death?
It wouldn't be FlyerTalk if the same topics weren't beat to death though! Recently some TravelBuzz thread on the ethics of being asked to leave your airline seat devolved into another rehashing of the Dr. Dao Dragging Debacle with the same repeated re-stating of the same points of view that had been beat to death months ago. It was comical. I think the overall post count on FlyerTalk would go down by 75% if you deleted all the dead horses!

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Old Nov 21, 17, 8:59 pm
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And getting a taste of culture, even during your two weeks, is still > experiencing same culture from the chain hotel lounge.
So what's the difference to SFO777 (and all the other trip reporters residing in luxury or high-end chain hotels)?
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Old Nov 22, 17, 8:20 am
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Originally Posted by ckx2 View Post
So what's the difference to SFO777 (and all the other trip reporters residing in luxury or high-end chain hotels)?
Ever read one of those trip reports? He actually goes out to experience a destination....
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Old Nov 22, 17, 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by RTW1 View Post
Ever read one of those trip reports? He actually goes out to experience a destination....
There's a difference in personality, interests and purpose.

I don't read OMAAT to try to get a deeper cultural understanding of any national cultures. Nor do I read SFO777 trip reports for that purpose either. But unlike with OMAAT, with SFO777 trip reports I know I'm not going to have to filter through reading a bunch of cut and paste-like clutter copy to get to the meat of a story or be targeted for a credit card sign-up.

If people want to get a deeper understanding of a national culture, reading a country's version of national and world history as taught to middle and high school children in a country will do way more to inform about national culture than reading any given FT trip report or any given miles/points blog. And you don't even need to sign up for a credit card or read social media advertisements to get that "education".
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Ever read one of those trip reports? He actually goes out to experience a destination....
Yes I do, hence the question. I don't see a difference, other than SFO777 not trying to sell credit cards and actually knows how to properly articulate himself (and usually residing in more luxury establishments). Other than that, they both take guided tours for their explorations. None of them are going to the lonely planet route as adertised in this thread. There's nothing wrong with that and I'm not a fan of OMaaT, but this seems like a double standard here.
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Old Nov 22, 17, 4:12 pm
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So what's the difference to SFO777 (and all the other trip reporters residing in luxury or high-end chain hotels)?
You didn't ask me, but I don't get 'travel' advice from SFO777 either. I tend to get it from and enjoy actual travel bloggers. Some examples I have bookmarked:

http://www.alongcameanelephant.com/
http://www.aworldtotravel.com/
https://theworldpursuit.com/
https://landcruisingadventure.com/
https://www.junglesinparis.com/

That said, I also get great utility from Ben and SFO777 when planning around airplane cabins and luxury western chain hotels.

Lots of great tools out there!
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Old Nov 22, 17, 6:30 pm
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Lots of great tools out there!
Just to be clear, which ones are you calling tools
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