Covid-19 issues re Eva Air.

Old Mar 5, 20, 11:04 am
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Covid-19 issues re Eva Air.

According to news reports (https://udn.com/news/story/6656/4392..._v2_main_index), a passenger went LHR-TPE 22 February, entered Taiwan 2/23, had coughing/runny nose symptoms 2/27 and went on TPE-BNE 2 March.

Passenger was "58 year old foreign passport holder". Didn't say whether LHR-TPE was on BR.

It says TW CDC is trying to verify with AU. TW CDC thinks the person caught it outside TW.

This is the kind of meticulous tracing they are doing in TW to delay / mitigate the outbreak.
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Old Mar 5, 20, 1:14 pm
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Apparently, the person is an Australian who performed in the National Concert Hall: https://udn.com/news/story/12660/4393178

The TW Government, who owns the venues, has decided to delay all the performances in March from foreign groups it (the Government) has invited.

Obviously we are not going to start a thread every time someone on a BR flight is confirmed but it is interesting to follow a case through to see what happens.
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Old Mar 5, 20, 4:06 pm
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https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4393027 and https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202003050019 (English) say passengers continued to ADL.
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Apparently, the person is an Australian who performed in the National Concert Hall: https://udn.com/news/story/12660/4393178

The TW Government, who owns the venues, has decided to delay all the performances in March from foreign groups it (the Government) has invited.

Obviously we are not going to start a thread every time someone on a BR flight is confirmed but it is interesting to follow a case through to see what happens.
Scary News. It seems he flew to Taiwan via BKK (I think on EVA too but not sure EVA air London flights stop in BKK?)
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https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/D...mMg?typeid=158

The Taiwan CDC posts regular updates, usually several a day. The link above is about this situation.

The rest are available here: www.cdc.gov.tw/en
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Old Mar 5, 20, 10:51 pm
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TW CDC preliminary report says 124 people had contact with him and 36 of them were close contact. So, they are subjected to 2 different level of control. https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4394066

Here is what they are doing now to clean up: https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4393368

Here is the musician: https://www.smh.com.au/culture/music...06-p547gx.html

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Old Mar 5, 20, 11:04 pm
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Passenger was in J and 5 FAs had close contact. https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4393318 says BR re-accommodated all the passengers on today's BNE-TPE flight so the plane flew back with the crew without passengers.

FAs are now subject to quarantine. Pilots are not as there was not contact.

The strange thing is the report said the FAs had to wait for the "quarantine taxis" (people who are under quarantine are not allowed to take public transit and there are now "quarantine taxis" for those people) to take them home ("空服員們由於無法搭乘大眾運輸工具,所以全部前往暨搭乘防疫車隊的計程車").

You would think BR would have prepared for them??? I hope BR at least will pay for the fare and the lost income... (BR does take pretty good of its employees compared to many TW companies.)
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Old Mar 5, 20, 11:15 pm
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Scary News. It seems he flew to Taiwan via BKK (I think on EVA too but not sure EVA air London flights stop in BKK?)
I would think it is BR LHR-BKK-TPE also. Strange thing is that it did not say that in any report.

https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4393027 also said "該旅客入境前雖曾有咳嗽等症狀,但無疫區旅遊史,二月廿三日入境時亦無症狀,研判為境外感染。在台期間曾 於音樂廳排練,二月廿七日晚間因出現咳嗽、流鼻水症狀至診所就醫,二月廿八日及三月一日參與演出,三月二日 離台。" - had symptom before entering TW on 2/23, no travel to affected area...Had cough and runny nose on 2/27 and went to the hospital. Performed 2/28 + 3/1 and departed 3/2.

Since he performed with the NSO and most members of the NSO are music teachers, the CDC is asking them to not go teach at the school (https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4394119).
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So the pilots never used the J lav? The J FAs never served food or drinks to the pilots?
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Old Mar 6, 20, 11:35 pm
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It seems a lot of things went wrong in this case given how careful the Taiwanese are.

The musician reported the symptoms he had before he arrived TPE. They examined him at the airport. He showed no symptom at that time so they let him through. Then when they took him to the clinic, they did not ask him carefully and suspect Covid-19. People were seeing him coughing and sneezing.

Some of it is probably "reverse racism" - thinking a white foreigner would not have this.

Then of course if he was already sick before entering Taiwan, how about his inbound flight?

As far as BR, I wonder if they noticed anything in-flight. They have 3 levels of home quarantine in Taiwan - the 5 FAs who had contact were placed on the highest level. Good question about the pilots' interactions with the FAs and the lav.

Here is the follow up: https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4396496 - 419 contacts and 7 need to be tested. 145 need self-quarantine at home.

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Old Mar 7, 20, 8:36 am
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BR's own statement https://www.evaair.com/zh-tw/about-e...rus-news.html:【3月5日防疫說明】

長榮航空3月2日BR315說明稿:

依澳洲官方衛生單位公布,一位旅客搭乘長榮航空3月2日BR315航班由台北前往布里斯本,被確診為新冠肺 炎確診病例。長榮航空每一航班值勤後均會清潔與消毒,對於該航機會採深度清潔及加強消毒之方式處理;當班之 空服員原規劃值勤今(5)日BR316布里斯本-台北航班,本航班將空機飛渡返台,旅客全數轉搭其他航空公司,空服組員不安排勤務,並以加大隔離空間及全程 配戴口罩之方式搭機返台。與該名旅客接觸過的空、地勤員工,將配合疫情指揮中心之規範,進行相關檢疫或是隔 離。

長榮航空會配合中央流行疫情指揮中心以及澳洲相關衛生單位,提供旅客名單與相關資料,以利後續追蹤管制;該 名旅客搭機之相關細節,公司依傳染病防治法不便透露。


So, it is not like they found out the guy was sick the same day and cancelled the return BNE-TPE. It was on the flight the crew was supposed to be on a few days later.
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Interesting that BR didn't opt to deadhead another crew to BNE but ferry the original crew back in an empty plane. Surely if the load factor was not too high they could have kept the flight and consolidate the original crew in a designated area?
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Old Mar 7, 20, 11:01 am
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Interesting that BR didn't opt to deadhead another crew to BNE but ferry the original crew back in an empty plane. Surely if the load factor was not too high they could have kept the flight and consolidate the original crew in a designated area?
I am sure the loads are not good.

I can see why they wanted to get the crew home and this is the safest way to do it.

As good a job the TW CDC has done so far, the system (airport, doctor) definitely dropped the ball on this one.
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Old Mar 8, 20, 9:43 pm
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...As good a job the TW CDC has done so far, the system (airport, doctor) definitely dropped the ball on this one.
Here is the statement from the musician with the details: https://www.intermusica.co.uk/news/4410

So, it seems no one dropped the ball and this still happened. This shows how careful we have to be!

He was performing in Berlin prior to TW and I guess went through LHR for TPE. I still don't see any news reports and concerns for his inbound flights.

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Old Mar 8, 20, 10:18 pm
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It seems a lot of things went wrong in this case given how careful the Taiwanese are.

The musician reported the symptoms he had before he arrived TPE. They examined him at the airport. He showed no symptom at that time so they let him through. Then when they took him to the clinic, they did not ask him carefully and suspect Covid-19. People were seeing him coughing and sneezing.

Some of it is probably "reverse racism" - thinking a white foreigner would not have this.

Then of course if he was already sick before entering Taiwan, how about his inbound flight?

As far as BR, I wonder if they noticed anything in-flight. They have 3 levels of home quarantine in Taiwan - the 5 FAs who had contact were placed on the highest level. Good question about the pilots' interactions with the FAs and the lav.

Here is the follow up: https://udn.com/news/story/120940/4396496 - 419 contacts and 7 need to be tested. 145 need self-quarantine at home.

Well a bit late but some EU Nations are added to level 2 under Taiwan's system, meaning 14 days of self checks and limited public movement.
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