PE ending out of YVR

Old Dec 10, 19, 1:59 am
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PE ending out of YVR

Looks like BR is ending their PE out of YVR. They are switching to their B787 sometime in 2020. So much for Eva Air. Will need to find another carrier.
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Old Dec 10, 19, 7:20 am
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No, I think the thread title is appropriate. I have been wondering this for some time. EVA's PE is only available on it's 777 fleet, I have not seen another EVA aircraft type configured with PE. As far as I have read on this thread EVA has not purchased/leased additional 777 and the retired 777's have been replaced by 787's. So is YVR an indication of EVA's West Coast fleet? Having to purchase my own airfare, for three I can only afford PE.
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Old Dec 10, 19, 5:15 pm
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Originally Posted by sfo View Post
Looks like BR is ending their PE out of YVR. They are switching to their B787 sometime in 2020. So much for Eva Air. Will need to find another carrier.
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Originally Posted by Chang11 View Post
No, I think the thread title is appropriate. I have been wondering this for some time. EVA's PE is only available on it's 777 fleet, I have not seen another EVA aircraft type configured with PE. As far as I have read on this thread EVA has not purchased/leased additional 777 and the retired 777's have been replaced by 787's. So is YVR an indication of EVA's West Coast fleet? Having to purchase my own airfare, for three I can only afford PE.
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Some thoughts for you:

IMHO, your subject line is not descriptive enough. It might have been what you were thinking, perhaps "PE ending" was enough info for you to start a thread. However, one great thing about FT is the ability for others to search forums for info. A more descriptive thread would help many others. You could have added the route where PE is ending, you could have added a date.

So I did some searching for you using GF and BR's own website. It looks like the last outbound from YVR with PE is Feb 17. Other experts on this forum can correct me.

To the issue of aircraft utilization.....
If BR was able to fill the 777 aircraft from YVR and make money (pax and cargo perhaps), they would continue to use it. Since I can't see their profit statements, I would assume BR isn't selling PE in numbers they need, or isn't able to fill the 777 enough to make the profit they need or want.

It is also possible YVR is a challenging route. CI flies the route, AC flies the route. I've flown AC on the route for 2 years. They have cut back frequency and are now down to 5 days a week. While they continue to use their B789, it is not always full in the J and PE cabins, and I've flown it where a decent number of pax in J were non-revs. I don't know how CI is doing on the route.

Further, ex-YVR, many airlines to Asia are facing huge competitive pressure. Perhaps pax who might have flown BR or AC direct in any cabin, are choosing a much less expensive flight that includes a connection.

IIRC, on this forum quite some time ago, there was discussion of why BR ordered some new aircraft without PE. Someone may have posted that on some routes, they would not be able to sell PE. Customers who want up front pay for it, those who are looking for much less expensive fares will buy Y. Perhaps for many, the value proposition for PE does not exist. It caught my attention last year when I flew BR's new B789 on a regional Asia route and noticed that there was no PE cabin.
(BTW, ANA has done similar. I've flown their new B789s on regional Asia routes under 8 hours and those aircraft have J and Y (and J has a main and a mini cabin).

I can appreciate that you have a budget that only allows PE for 3, but we should also look at these decisions the airline's point of view. Economics matter even if it is not convenient for us.


FEB 17






FEB 18

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As someone who regularly fly BR out of YYZ, I hope they don't change it out of YYZ. The PE out of YYZ, certainly on the day's I fly were always full. If they stop PE I guess I will also have to look for a * airline that flies to BKK or MNL that has PE.
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Old Dec 10, 19, 5:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
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No it did not die.

Forgot to add that if passengers want PE they will have to fly from SEA. Looking at airfares, and converting from USD to CAD it will be a bit more.
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EVA has been struggling on YVR. The premium demand is simply not there. BR couldn't even fill the cabin when it was 5 weekly (before CI dropped the 2 additional frequencies to give them 7 weekly) and it's not a profitable market for them with AC in market. AC has also reduced frequencies during off peak months to just 5 weekly.

CAL used to operate this route with 343 and 744 and even with those outdated aircraft EVA couldn't manage to get a higher loading (that's before AC even stepped in). At one time before CAL retired it's 744, CAL sold 12 F as Business and 49 J as Premium Economy. That was a big hit to EVA's market share as their Royal Laurel cannot compare to the old First and Elite Class was a long shot against a decent regional Business seat.

Right now CAL operates YVR with 359 and it seems like an okay fit for the market with 32 Business and 31 Premium Economy seats. The 789 might be here to counter CI's Business product, but I am unsure if passengers prefer reversed herringbone seats or straight forward ones. CAL will likely be able to capture all the Premium Economy market here.

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As someone who regularly fly BR out of YYZ, I hope they don't change it out of YYZ. The PE out of YYZ, certainly on the day's I fly were always full. If they stop PE I guess I will also have to look for a * airline that flies to BKK or MNL that has PE.
They don't have the number of aircraft available to replace. With only four 789 is not going anywhere near Toronto. Plus Toronto has premium demand with no direct competition to TPE.
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Old Dec 12, 19, 5:15 pm
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Obviously demand is the problem but I also think YVR gets it because it is the shortest North American route.

Now, if BR is struggling, how can AC be profitable on this route? Is this because BR does not have a good deal with feeder traffic from the rest of Western Canada?

I would think the 787 would be better in Y than the 10-across 777?
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From YYZ, it's mostly Chinese obviously and then a mixture of Filipinos and Thai is what I have seen. I have never seen any flight out of YYZ with more than 3 seats available in PE. Mostly it's full or over booked.
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Obviously demand is the problem but I also think YVR gets it because it is the shortest North American route.

Now, if BR is struggling, how can AC be profitable on this route? Is this because BR does not have a good deal with feeder traffic from the rest of Western Canada?

I would think the 787 would be better in Y than the 10-across 777?
Don't think it mattered unless you think the 789 is a preparation for 781 to serve in the future. 789 can fly anywhere to the North America that EVA serves.

I would say 789 9Y and 777 10Y are equally worse in terms of seating comfort.

AC is also struggling on this route that's why they down gauged to 5 weekly for most of the year, but they do have the feed to other destinations in Canada. On the other hand Westjet cooperates with China Airlines so CAL has some feed as well.

TPE-YVR (CI 359/BR 77W/AC 789)

2019/10 16116/18972 84.9 18042/22109 81.6 13642/15496 88.0 AC
2019/09 15813/18054 87.6 16321/19057 85.6 12988/15496 83.8 AC
2019/08 17529/19278 90.9 17961/20389 88.1 15239/16092 94.7 AC
2019/07 17328/18666 92.8 17129/19217 89.1 14623/15496 94.4 AC
2019/06 16666/18360 90.8 11982/13993 85.6 14139/15496 91.2 AC
2019/05 16218/18972 85.5 17974/21586 83.3 13456/16092 83.6 AC
2019/04 15525/18360 84.6 18342/20700 88.6 10831/13018 83.2 AC
2019/03 16502/19278 85.6 18304/21473 85.2 12297/13112 93.8 AC
2019/02 12905/15300 84.3 16414/19548 84.0 10970/11920 92.0 AC
2019/01 17105/18666 91.6 19656/21726 90.5 17105/18666 91.6 AC

2019/02 CI strike
2019/06 BR strike

CI 359 - 32C/31W/243Y
BR 77W - 39C/58W/256Y
AC 789 - 30C/21W/247Y

CI has a better loading than BR for every month except April and AC has a better loading than BR for every month except April and September.
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Old Jan 10, 20, 6:14 am
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Looking at the flight timetables on the EVA site, it looks like flight BR 10 from TPE to YVR is using the 787 (without PE) on May 18, but is back to the 777 (with PE) on May 19, so perhaps the change is just seasonal until the summer.
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EVA Air Seattle / Vancouver service changes from May 2020

Posted 24 December 2019 - By Jim Liu

EVA Air in this week’s schedule update filed service changes for Seattle and Vancouver, effective from May 2020. Planned changes as follow.

Taipei Taoyuan – Seattle eff 19MAY20 Operation changes
BR026/025 787-9 replaces 777-300ER (7 weekly)
BR004/003 Increase from 3 to 5 weekly (Overall service to Seattle increases from 10 to 12 weekly)
BR004 TPE1950 – 1540SEA 77W x16
BR026 TPE2340 – 1935SEA 789 D

BR003 SEA0120 – 0440+1TPE 77W x27
BR025 SEA0150 – 0510+1TPE 789 D

Taipei Taoyuan – Vancouver eff 19MAY20 777-300ER once again operates this route, replacing 787-9 (The 787 is scheduled to operate from 17FEB20 to 18MAY20)
BR010 TPE2355 – 1940YVR 77W D
BR009 YVR0200 – 0510+1TPE 77W D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ight=EVA%20Air
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PE? Personal Entertainment?

The YVR -> TPE route is mostly used by 'astronaut' families that keep kids in Canada for that passport of convenience OR people using Taipei as a Star Alliance hub for further connections to South East Asia for leisure channel. With that in mind, I really think that his route has some of the most affordable trans-pacific J-Class out there. Great for me to get that AQD spend up for Air Canada. Now, in comparison, SFO - TPE has insanely expensive J-Class as you've got so many tech executives heading to Taipei/Hsinchu/Taoyuan to check in on their silicon supply chain.
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