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Old Jul 11, 19, 3:22 pm
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EVA to launch Milan

4x a week

Starting 2/18/2020
BR 71 x1246 TPE-MXP 23:40 - 6:30
BR 72 x 2357 MXP- TPE 11:00- 6:30
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Old Jul 11, 19, 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by krispykrme View Post
4x a week

Starting 2/18/2020
BR 71 x1246 TPE-MXP 23:40 - 6:30
BR 72 x 2357 MXP- TPE 11:00- 6:30
Flights will be operated by a 777 according to a letter sent by their Domestic Sales division.

2 of the frequencies are Italian government exemptions with specific mention of BR. Seems BR learned their lesson with not trusting the government for rights they negotiate.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 10:46 pm
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The launch date comes as no surprise as they swap 777 for 787 on YVR on Feb. 17. The 777 must go somewhere. With frequency at 4x weekly... The utilization of their 777 is getting even lower...
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Old Jul 12, 19, 2:09 am
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The launch date comes as no surprise as they swap 777 for 787 on YVR on Feb. 17. The 777 must go somewhere. With frequency at 4x weekly... The utilization of their 777 is getting even lower...
Rumor is that BCN is next. So 777 utilization may be ok.
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The launch date comes as no surprise as they swap 777 for 787 on YVR on Feb. 17. The 777 must go somewhere. With frequency at 4x weekly... The utilization of their 777 is getting even lower...
The hilarious message coming from this is that EVA thinks Milan and/or Barcelona can sustain a 77W while Vancouver can only support a 787... I find it difficult to believe that Vancouver has no Premium Economy passengers. I mean I do understand the lack of Business passengers cause it was the last route for CI to exit 744 services (with just 12C/49PE), but dumping Premium Economy altogether is like a ??? to me.

Though looking at statistics, ever since EVA upped their frequency from 3 weekly to 5 and now 7 weekly, their passenger to seat ratio have been quite low. It feels that they are competing against AC on this route and AC has the upper hand with domestic legs to forward passengers. One would expect EVA to capture transit markets from SEA but it seems like not the case (or it has been watered down)?

YVR use to be CI 7 343 & BR 3 777, then it has gone through various changes with:

CI 5 744 & BR 3 777
CI 7 744 & BR 3 777
CI 5 744 & BR 5 777
CI 7 343 & BR 5 777
CI 7 744 & BR 5 777 & AC 7 787
CI 7 744 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
CI 7 359 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
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Originally Posted by krispykrme View Post


Rumor is that BCN is next. So 777 utilization may be ok.
I heard it's gonna be MUC.. but we'll see haha. I'm hoping they would come to Boston though.. (though DC was rumored too..)
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Originally Posted by krispykrme View Post
4x a week

Starting 2/18/2020
BR 71 x1246 TPE-MXP 23:40 - 6:30
BR 72 x 2357 MXP- TPE 11:00- 6:30
Strike is over. This is a wonderful gift to FAs. Soon we will see their shopping activities on IG.
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So they won’t have to route through BKK to get to Milan, unlike most of their other Europe routes?
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Old Jul 13, 19, 3:33 am
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Strike is over. This is a wonderful gift to FAs. Soon we will see their shopping activities on IG.
Hahaha so true.
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Originally Posted by krispykrme View Post
4x a week

Starting 2/18/2020
BR 71 x1246 TPE-MXP 23:40 - 6:30
BR 72 x 2357 MXP- TPE 11:00- 6:30
this should read be
BR 71 x357
BR 72 x146
since it is 4x a week
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Somehow I think all these BR European holiday destinations are for the executive's vacations. It can't possibly be to make money. Meanwhile, KE's BOS-ICN route just launched with >86% load and the J seats are going for $7-10K USD. Probably will up frequency to daily in 2020.
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Old Jul 14, 19, 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by krispykrme View Post


Rumor is that BCN is next. So 777 utilization may be ok.
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So they won’t have to route through BKK to get to Milan, unlike most of their other Europe routes?
Yes It's gonna be nonstop from TPE. Technically they could ask for more rights to operate more flights from BKK to Europe since CI gave them all up. Yet they are also building up Europe-TPE-SEA/NEA network. There are many promotions in Japan/Korea right now for fares to Paris and Vienna. Maybe they'll do the same for Milan.

After the Milan addition, they will have the same number of flights to Europe operating nonstop from TPE vs. via BKK. Milan is more of a business destination compared to Rome, so I think it should make some $$ with belly cargo!
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Hahaha so true.
Why is this the case?
Why are EVA cabin crew so well represented in Instagram? Is it encouraged by the airline? Some sort of peer pressure activity? Some of the Instagram accounts are not really personal, such as showing friends and family. The less popular ones are but the most popular ones are almost like brand influencers trying to build up their personal brand.

During the strike, many of them did not post about the strike except by Instagram Stories, which is the video red circle around their avatar that lasts only 24 hours.
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Originally Posted by coolfish1103 View Post
The hilarious message coming from this is that EVA thinks Milan and/or Barcelona can sustain a 77W while Vancouver can only support a 787... I find it difficult to believe that Vancouver has no Premium Economy passengers. I mean I do understand the lack of Business passengers cause it was the last route for CI to exit 744 services (with just 12C/49PE), but dumping Premium Economy altogether is like a ??? to me.

Though looking at statistics, ever since EVA upped their frequency from 3 weekly to 5 and now 7 weekly, their passenger to seat ratio have been quite low. It feels that they are competing against AC on this route and AC has the upper hand with domestic legs to forward passengers. One would expect EVA to capture transit markets from SEA but it seems like not the case (or it has been watered down)?

YVR use to be CI 7 343 & BR 3 777, then it has gone through various changes with:

CI 5 744 & BR 3 777
CI 7 744 & BR 3 777
CI 5 744 & BR 5 777
CI 7 343 & BR 5 777
CI 7 744 & BR 5 777 & AC 7 787
CI 7 744 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
CI 7 359 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
You answered the question yourself... There are too many seats on YVR-TPE so it makes sense to downgauge and still maintain frequency. Also this is mostly VFR route so I'm guessing J and W demand is only moderate to low.

Milan will have potentially more business travel and more cargo volume. 77W 4x doesn't seem that ambitious to me. BR will have lots of open jaw booking with VIE so they should be able to balance the loads by working with outbound tour groups and selling vacation packages.

Originally Posted by flyingeverywhere1 View Post
I heard it's gonna be MUC.. but we'll see haha. I'm hoping they would come to Boston though.. (though DC was rumored too..)
MUC is not going to happen until Germany agree to amend the air service agreement. The existing agreement restricts each country to 1 designated carrier and 1 airport. The Taiwanese allocation is held by CI and FRA. LH can start service from MUC if it wants to for BR to codeshare but not sure if LH is that interested.

This is the exactly the same reason why AF started the CDG-TPE flight... the Taiwanese air rights are held by BR so CI cannot start service. But CI worked it out with AF so they codeshare on AF metal (with CI rumored to have committed to guarantee sell out of a large number of TPE originating point of sale)
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That is what I thought - a lot of the European traffic rights started with "1 designated carrier on each side" which, at the time of the decisions, were counter to the alliances, which came later (i.e. BR got CDG and CI got FRA). Didn't Condor operate FRA-TPE for a little while?
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