EVA to launch Milan
Jul 11, 2019, 9:05 pm
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2 of the frequencies are Italian government exemptions with specific mention of BR. Seems BR learned their lesson with not trusting the government for rights they negotiate.
Jul 12, 2019, 2:09 am
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Jul 12, 2019, 2:47 am
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Though looking at statistics, ever since EVA upped their frequency from 3 weekly to 5 and now 7 weekly, their passenger to seat ratio have been quite low. It feels that they are competing against AC on this route and AC has the upper hand with domestic legs to forward passengers. One would expect EVA to capture transit markets from SEA but it seems like not the case (or it has been watered down)?
YVR use to be CI 7 343 & BR 3 777, then it has gone through various changes with:
CI 5 744 & BR 3 777
CI 7 744 & BR 3 777
CI 5 744 & BR 5 777
CI 7 343 & BR 5 777
CI 7 744 & BR 5 777 & AC 7 787
CI 7 744 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
CI 7 359 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
Jul 12, 2019, 9:27 am
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Jul 13, 2019, 3:33 am
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Jul 13, 2019, 9:35 am
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Somehow I think all these BR European holiday destinations are for the executive's vacations. It can't possibly be to make money. Meanwhile, KE's BOS-ICN route just launched with >86% load and the J seats are going for $7-10K USD. Probably will up frequency to daily in 2020.
Jul 14, 2019, 5:33 am
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After the Milan addition, they will have the same number of flights to Europe operating nonstop from TPE vs. via BKK. Milan is more of a business destination compared to Rome, so I think it should make some $$ with belly cargo!
Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 pm
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Why are EVA cabin crew so well represented in Instagram? Is it encouraged by the airline? Some sort of peer pressure activity? Some of the Instagram accounts are not really personal, such as showing friends and family. The less popular ones are but the most popular ones are almost like brand influencers trying to build up their personal brand.
During the strike, many of them did not post about the strike except by Instagram Stories, which is the video red circle around their avatar that lasts only 24 hours.
Jul 17, 2019, 4:22 pm
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The hilarious message coming from this is that EVA thinks Milan and/or Barcelona can sustain a 77W while Vancouver can only support a 787... I find it difficult to believe that Vancouver has no Premium Economy passengers. I mean I do understand the lack of Business passengers cause it was the last route for CI to exit 744 services (with just 12C/49PE), but dumping Premium Economy altogether is like a ??? to me.
Though looking at statistics, ever since EVA upped their frequency from 3 weekly to 5 and now 7 weekly, their passenger to seat ratio have been quite low. It feels that they are competing against AC on this route and AC has the upper hand with domestic legs to forward passengers. One would expect EVA to capture transit markets from SEA but it seems like not the case (or it has been watered down)?
YVR use to be CI 7 343 & BR 3 777, then it has gone through various changes with:
CI 5 744 & BR 3 777
CI 7 744 & BR 3 777
CI 5 744 & BR 5 777
CI 7 343 & BR 5 777
CI 7 744 & BR 5 777 & AC 7 787
CI 7 744 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
CI 7 359 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
Though looking at statistics, ever since EVA upped their frequency from 3 weekly to 5 and now 7 weekly, their passenger to seat ratio have been quite low. It feels that they are competing against AC on this route and AC has the upper hand with domestic legs to forward passengers. One would expect EVA to capture transit markets from SEA but it seems like not the case (or it has been watered down)?
YVR use to be CI 7 343 & BR 3 777, then it has gone through various changes with:
CI 5 744 & BR 3 777
CI 7 744 & BR 3 777
CI 5 744 & BR 5 777
CI 7 343 & BR 5 777
CI 7 744 & BR 5 777 & AC 7 787
CI 7 744 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
CI 7 359 & BR 7 777 & AC 5 787
Milan will have potentially more business travel and more cargo volume. 77W 4x doesn't seem that ambitious to me. BR will have lots of open jaw booking with VIE so they should be able to balance the loads by working with outbound tour groups and selling vacation packages.
This is the exactly the same reason why AF started the CDG-TPE flight... the Taiwanese air rights are held by BR so CI cannot start service. But CI worked it out with AF so they codeshare on AF metal (with CI rumored to have committed to guarantee sell out of a large number of TPE originating point of sale)
Jul 17, 2019, 4:33 pm
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That is what I thought - a lot of the European traffic rights started with "1 designated carrier on each side" which, at the time of the decisions, were counter to the alliances, which came later (i.e. BR got CDG and CI got FRA). Didn't Condor operate FRA-TPE for a little while?