EVA AIR 2018 Outlook/Future Fleet Plans
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B-17881 on a test flight. According to the Boeing people, the aircraft will be delivered from PAE. Probably explains why Clay Sun and team booked to SEA instead of JFK or ORD. Aircraft will be open to media when it lands in TPE on Oct. 3rd.
From Cassidy Vacay on Twitter:
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Oops, I had them reversed. Right, they are getting mostly 78Js and fewer 789s. So, it seems to me the 789s should have PE and 78Js should have 2 configurations.
They essentially should not rely on the 77Ws as CI is using and Starlux will use the A350 which offer better passenger comfort.
They essentially should not rely on the 77Ws as CI is using and Starlux will use the A350 which offer better passenger comfort.
CI also uses its A350 to North America (SFO and YVR)
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Remember BR is only leasing 4x 789 with no current plans to take more. It seems clear that they are going to use these 4 frames as interim replacement for A332. I believe they are only leasing the 4 frame because Boeing couldn't deliver any 787-10 earlier so they brokered this deal with GEACS to keep BR in the Boeing widebody camp.
The main regional fleet of the future ("regional" probably include 10 hour flights to Australia) will be 787-10 which on paper will give BR lower operating costs than A333 and up to 10% more seats.
The lack of PE is not that surprising in the context of regional flights. SQ is also not doing PE in their 787-10 instead opting for lie flat J. For flights under 4 hours, it's hard to monetize PE... it ends up being free upgrades for elites rather than revenue generating seats.
The main regional fleet of the future ("regional" probably include 10 hour flights to Australia) will be 787-10 which on paper will give BR lower operating costs than A333 and up to 10% more seats.
The lack of PE is not that surprising in the context of regional flights. SQ is also not doing PE in their 787-10 instead opting for lie flat J. For flights under 4 hours, it's hard to monetize PE... it ends up being free upgrades for elites rather than revenue generating seats.
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Remember BR is only leasing 4x 789 with no current plans to take more. It seems clear that they are going to use these 4 frames as interim replacement for A332. I believe they are only leasing the 4 frame because Boeing couldn't deliver any 787-10 earlier so they brokered this deal with GEACS to keep BR in the Boeing widebody camp.
The main regional fleet of the future ("regional" probably include 10 hour flights to Australia) will be 787-10 which on paper will give BR lower operating costs than A333 and up to 10% more seats.
The lack of PE is not that surprising in the context of regional flights. SQ is also not doing PE in their 787-10 instead opting for lie flat J. For flights under 4 hours, it's hard to monetize PE... it ends up being free upgrades for elites rather than revenue generating seats.
The main regional fleet of the future ("regional" probably include 10 hour flights to Australia) will be 787-10 which on paper will give BR lower operating costs than A333 and up to 10% more seats.
The lack of PE is not that surprising in the context of regional flights. SQ is also not doing PE in their 787-10 instead opting for lie flat J. For flights under 4 hours, it's hard to monetize PE... it ends up being free upgrades for elites rather than revenue generating seats.
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Oops, I had them reversed. Right, they are getting mostly 78Js and fewer 789s. So, it seems to me the 789s should have PE and 78Js should have 2 configurations.
They essentially should not rely on the 77Ws as CI is using and Starlux will use the A350 which offer better passenger comfort.
They essentially should not rely on the 77Ws as CI is using and Starlux will use the A350 which offer better passenger comfort.
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I still think it would make more sense to put PE on some 787s - this way they can offer PE all the way for people who use them to go to Australia from North America or Europe. Plus, there is that segment of overseas residents and tourists who will pay extra for it.
It is kind of interesting when the whole Mainland transit thing stalled and now with the bad relationship, people were worried about the continued expansion of BR and CI. Looks like BR is still at it.
I still think it would make more sense to put PE on some 787s - this way they can offer PE all the way for people who use them to go to Australia from North America or Europe. Plus, there is that segment of overseas residents and tourists who will pay extra for it.
It is kind of interesting when the whole Mainland transit thing stalled and now with the bad relationship, people were worried about the continued expansion of BR and CI. Looks like BR is still at it.
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For now, BR is going to use 789 for regional ops, which is why it is configured similarly to what I expect the 78J will be like... small lie-flat J and no PE.
Of course once they have enough 78J in the fleet, they may opt to reconfigure 789 for long haul ops.
And I agree that Australia flights should see decent PE sales in theory - it is long enough and with possible connections to Europe if timed correctly. But BR hasn't really clarified its Australia strategy.
Of course once they have enough 78J in the fleet, they may opt to reconfigure 789 for long haul ops.
And I agree that Australia flights should see decent PE sales in theory - it is long enough and with possible connections to Europe if timed correctly. But BR hasn't really clarified its Australia strategy.
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My point being that A350 is perfectly fine to do Taiwan to North America West Coast (pick your cities that CI rotates through - there is a separate discussion on the whole LAX / ONT route and equipment split).
As a passenger, I prefer the A350 over the 77W but that doesn't have anything to do with the company's economic route decisions.
As a passenger, I prefer the A350 over the 77W but that doesn't have anything to do with the company's economic route decisions.
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It will be a new seat
That's good to hear. This would be a industry-leading product on many current 333 routes (e.g., HND-TSA).
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