BR7 and 8 (TPE/SFO): EVA flight attendants demand proper rest time in sit-in protest
Feb 21, 2018, 8:15 pm
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One of the few arguments I got from another board is..
1. CI has $5 per diem now, BR has $3 (but... wait BR got more year end bonus and most of CI's one-stop flights were cut)
2. It does not violate the rules but the FAs think it's too short. FAs believe they are the one who is flying and you cannot understand their situation cause you are not working on the plane (though we work once we are off the plane, like we don't know jet lag does not get any better the longer you stay at another place once you return).
3. Other airlines has nothing to do with us, we believe the rule itself is too short so it is too short (though I am unsure why they don't go complain with the CAA if that's the case, and now other airlines cannot be used to compare when it's not in their favor).
4. Not just PEK, many flights were named. They will tell you pay us UA benefits and $ and we will talk about UA duty hours (so is it really a health issue?).
Basically anything not going their way they tell you to not compare or you don't understand. I give up, lol.
1. CI has $5 per diem now, BR has $3 (but... wait BR got more year end bonus and most of CI's one-stop flights were cut)
2. It does not violate the rules but the FAs think it's too short. FAs believe they are the one who is flying and you cannot understand their situation cause you are not working on the plane (though we work once we are off the plane, like we don't know jet lag does not get any better the longer you stay at another place once you return).
3. Other airlines has nothing to do with us, we believe the rule itself is too short so it is too short (though I am unsure why they don't go complain with the CAA if that's the case, and now other airlines cannot be used to compare when it's not in their favor).
4. Not just PEK, many flights were named. They will tell you pay us UA benefits and $ and we will talk about UA duty hours (so is it really a health issue?).
Basically anything not going their way they tell you to not compare or you don't understand. I give up, lol.
2. They don't like it because all other North America flights do not run on that schedule.
For example...for those on BR6(TPE-LAX Morning flight).
The schedule is BR6 on Sunday morning...arriving LAX time Sunday Morning
Then you get Sunday and Monday off...you depart Monday midnight on BR11/15.
The 4x week made the schedule very awkward, hence mgmt. decision to do a 3 day.
3. Ironic...at the beginning, they actually used CX as a "model airline" and got the CX FAs to put out a poster of support for them
4. Strawberry soldiers...
It's nice that your wife is a retired FA. The working conditions today are quite different than what they were 25 years ago when she first started. Layovers for crews were longer, there was less pax density on flights, passengers did not attack FAs etc. The old B767 and B747 did not have 10 across seating did it? At the end of her career, she had the seniority to avoid the difficult conditions that the younger FAs encounter today and that's part of the struggle the FAs have.
Pax density...a difference of 10-30 pax(seriously?). On the 77B, the crew count is now 14-16(sometimes even more) people(used to be 12-15). On longer flights, they dispatch an extra 1-3 FAs(some RL seats become crew rest). 77A/M have maintained the same crew count from when 777s were introduced. They increased the # of crew rest(they originally went with a crew rest in the Door 4 area that had 5 beds and one recliner) but they switched to a crew rest with 8 beds in the rear. And EVA doesn't play seniority like UA or AA or DL, everything is based off your performance. There is no schedule bidding and what not...you get what you get(you can flight request) and if you want any changes, find a swap(unless you previously arranged and were approved for a certain schedule because you want to utilize a continuous schedule of DO during some month). And the 747s were 10-abreast!
And pax attacked FAs??? Is this a new evolution in BR pax? When did it start?
Last edited by hayzel7773; Feb 21, 2018 at 8:36 pm
Feb 21, 2018, 9:25 pm
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1. The way BR counts per diem is different too(IIRC). Per diem for BR starts the moment the trip starts(so basically when they are in TPE)[I don't get why they do this...perhaps they have changed] while CI only starts to count when they hit the ground at the outstation. They were rather unhappy with the year-end bonus(BR 4 months, CI 2.5 equiv.) but they have zero say in that.
I think the question goes.. which airlines 747-400 since BR operated did not have 10 abreast in economy?
Feb 21, 2018, 10:18 pm
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I stand corrected. BR FAs get other benefits that CI FAs don't get such as free meals at Company HQ if they want etc. but they don't add much value to the job.
Feb 22, 2018, 10:25 am
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Overall income tax burden in Taiwan is high, but it is heavily progressive and with very limited deductions. At lower-to-moderate income levels, effective tax rates are much higher in CA (e.g., ~$40k annual income, CA resident can expect ~21% effective tax rate, whereas in Taiwan it is only ~11%). Especially relative to PPI, the difference is quite significant.
Feb 23, 2018, 4:51 pm
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Feb 24, 2018, 9:22 am
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxati...rogressive_tax
While I am not as well versed in the Taiwanese tax system, my wife is, as she is Taiwanese Canadian and file taxes in both countries, as do two of my children.
Feb 25, 2018, 4:32 am
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There is no income tax bracket in Taiwan at 10%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxati...rogressive_tax
While I am not as well versed in the Taiwanese tax system, my wife is, as she is Taiwanese Canadian and file taxes in both countries, as do two of my children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxati...rogressive_tax
While I am not as well versed in the Taiwanese tax system, my wife is, as she is Taiwanese Canadian and file taxes in both countries, as do two of my children.
Feb 25, 2018, 11:59 am
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You get paid to do a job, if you don't like it, go somewhere else.
Feb 25, 2018, 7:05 pm
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Last I checked he had passed away, but yes, this lack of consistency has me shifting my business to Cathay Pacific when I can. Cathay may have dirtier planes than before, and if you fly with them enough you can see where they have started to reduce their service over the last 5 or so years, but at least the crew are consistent. My spend in 2018 will be far less with BR this year than with Cathay.
Feb 25, 2018, 9:41 pm
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Last I checked he had passed away, but yes, this lack of consistency has me shifting my business to Cathay Pacific when I can. Cathay may have dirtier planes than before, and if you fly with them enough you can see where they have started to reduce their service over the last 5 or so years, but at least the crew are consistent. My spend in 2018 will be far less with BR this year than with Cathay.
I agree. Even though EVA has the better flight time, I still fly NH > BR. Certainly can't really compare as they are not apples to apples. NH is far superior night and day compared to BR. Infact,CA outbound seems more favorable to me than BR now.
Feb 25, 2018, 11:33 pm
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Not bad I mean since he's been sick. Meaning years before his death? If he was sick.....
I agree. Even though EVA has the better flight time, I still fly NH > BR. Certainly can't really compare as they are not apples to apples. NH is far superior night and day compared to BR. Infact,CA outbound seems more favorable to me than BR now.
I agree. Even though EVA has the better flight time, I still fly NH > BR. Certainly can't really compare as they are not apples to apples. NH is far superior night and day compared to BR. Infact,CA outbound seems more favorable to me than BR now.
But last three trips (NRT-SIN, SIN-HND, NRT-LAX). All in J. I think the catering is bad. The attendant services on the other hand are excellent. But I don’t like the stagger J seat NH has. The cushion is too thin. I like BR seats much better.
Feb 26, 2018, 3:54 am
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Same. Also Japanese airlines are too warm.