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TGV 2369 Test Train fire & derailed Vic. Strasbourg - 5 dead (Nov 2015)

TGV 2369 Test Train fire & derailed Vic. Strasbourg - 5 dead (Nov 2015)

Old Nov 14, 15, 10:09 am
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TGV 2369 Test Train fire & derailed Vic. Strasbourg - 5 dead (Nov 2015)

Earlier today in Eckwersheim, France, TGV 2369 Test Train caught fire, derailed and overturned:

The Mirror
Strasbourg train crash: Carriages derail and plunge into river during France's highest ever terror alert
(November 14, 2015)


The article says that "As of yet there are no direct links with the terrorist attacks on Paris that killed over 120 people last night."

[cblaisd: I considered posting this in FT's France forum, but thought it was more appropriate here since TGVs also operate in Switzerland and Italy.]

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Old Nov 14, 15, 10:54 am
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Old Nov 14, 15, 11:36 am
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Possible disruption to TGV services Paris-Strasbourg

A test train has come off the tracks (due to an excess of speed) at Eckwersheim, close to Strasbourg. There have been fatalities and injuries. It is thought that this incident is not connected to terrorist action in Paris.

If you are travelling between Paris and Strasbourg in the next 24 hours, you might need to allow more time for your journey.
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Strange that there would be children on board a "test train". Plus they're blaming it on excessive speed. It was going 217 mph. That's not much faster than they normally run. The death toll is now 11 with 5 missing.

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This was on the unopened section, no? So it shouldn't impact existing traffic
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Per http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-how-post.html will move this to a forum dedicated to European rail travel while leaving a permanent re-direct in Travel News.

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Old Nov 18, 15, 10:23 pm
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Originally Posted by tmorse6570 View Post
It was going 217 mph. That's not much faster than they normally run.
If the train is going through a curve leading to a switch point (which is the case here) then 217 mph are too fast.
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Old Nov 19, 15, 9:41 pm
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Aren't the TGV trains under "computer" supervision; shouldn't excessive speed on a curve be detected and rectified?
But on a "test" train the controls may have been totally manual.
[Shortly before the JFK (NYC) AirTrain was put into service, a motorman running one of these was using excessive speed--the train derailed killing the motorman. In general service, the AT is totally under computer control--non human operation.
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Some safety systems were shutdown, because of the nature of this test run. They have to run the train 10% faster than the regular maximum speed, which is later used, to approve the tracks (in this case they were running 350 km/h). According to a french newspaper, the driver then hit the brakes about 10 seconds to late, so in the beginning of the curve instead of the allowed 176 km/h the train was still running at 265 km/h and at the time of the derailment it was at 243 km/h.

Even in general service, the drivers can override some of the safety systems, e.g. when overrunning a red signal, since this is sometimes necessary on signal failure. However, this is not so easy, so the computer supervision in general service is still quite safe.
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Old Nov 20, 15, 6:33 am
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Aren't the TGV trains under "computer" supervision; shouldn't excessive speed on a curve be detected and rectified?
But on a "test" train the controls may have been totally manual.
[Shortly before the JFK (NYC) AirTrain was put into service, a motorman running one of these was using excessive speed--the train derailed killing the motorman. In general service, the AT is totally under computer control--non human operation.
TGV train operation is still manual. The ERTMS level 2 sets the maximum speed on any given section based on a number of parameters. If the driver goes above the maximum allowed speed, brakes will automatically be applied. Obviously it wasn't turned on.

JFK Airtrain uses a completely different control system and is fully automated.
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