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Flying Lawyer Apr 10, 2007 9:20 am


Originally Posted by pred02 (Post 7557742)
I usually use my high beams to signal the car infront (with a good distance, not tailgating) that is driving in the left (passing) lane slow to move over (if he can).

Better refrain from doing so in Germany either. The legal term for it in German is "Nötigung" (Coercion). If the other driver does not get out of the way, get down with your speed, keep good distance and wait.

magiciansampras Apr 10, 2007 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer (Post 7557764)
Better refrain from doing so in Germany either. The legal term for it in German is "Nötigung" (Coercion). If the other driver does not get out of the way, get down with your speed, keep good distance and wait.

^ ^ I wish we would do that here in the US. I find the high-beam flashing that pred02 notes is obnoxious.

sonofzeus Apr 11, 2007 10:48 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 7560244)
^ ^ I wish we would do that here in the US. I find the high-beam flashing that pred02 notes is obnoxious.


In BOS, this should be the least of your worries on the road.

chrissxb Apr 11, 2007 3:27 pm

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dvs7310 May 23, 2007 2:49 am

The one way drop fee tends to be pretty low with Avis, you might try them... also AutoEurope discounts with several companies, Avis being one of them.
Avis in Germany allows travel to Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, and Slovenija but only with certain types of cars. I know they told me that VWs can't go to eastern countries but Opels can.

The Avis drop fee for pickup in Germany and dropping in the Netherlands is currently only $75... Alamo was the second lowest I found at just over $100. Europcar is absurd, don't even consider them if you are dropping a different country.

Rover May 30, 2007 11:35 am

It's somewhat different in different countries. Germany is very fast, it's true, and 160mph wouldn't surprise me. In most countries, the speeds are much faster than in the US. I recall that the first time we drove in Spain, my wife, who was driving at the time, who is a conservative driver, found that she had to maintain over 140kph(about 86mph) in the slow lane to avoid being overtaken by large transport trucks. At 140kph on a Spanish motorway, one is often passed, quickly, by other cars, which become very small, very quickly.

On a long journey, I try to maintain 130kph as an average, for economy reasons, and generally in most countries, this is not too slow, in most cases.

As far as cars are concerned, I have driven a Renault Clio( a small car) at 160kph for some distance, and it could have gone faster--perhaps 175kph-- with no ill effects. Any car that couldn't do 130kph or so, would be considered a 'clapped out banger' in most parts of the continent

gilpin May 30, 2007 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 7560244)
^ ^ I wish we would do that here in the US. I find the high-beam flashing that pred02 notes is obnoxious.

Using the "light horn" as it is called here is actually is prohibited in at least some states. The problem is that the chances of being pulled over for it are almost nil.

basia Jun 2, 2007 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by Rover (Post 7820946)
It's somewhat different in different countries. Germany is very fast, it's true, and 160mph wouldn't surprise me. In most countries, the speeds are much faster than in the US. I recall that the first time we drove in Spain, my wife, who was driving at the time, who is a conservative driver, found that she had to maintain over 140kph(about 86mph) in the slow lane to avoid being overtaken by large transport trucks. At 140kph on a Spanish motorway, one is often passed, quickly, by other cars, which become very small, very quickly.

True enough, but then OTOH there are usually far fewer lanes than in U.S. metropolitan areas, and passing other cars is only permitted on the left. Both of these make the high speeds somewhat easier to deal with.

Another adjustment driving in urban settings is the location of traffic lights - on the near rather than the far side of the street. This can be extremely challenging in sunny weather, as the driver in front is so close the lights it often gets very hard to tell whether you are looking at a red or green.

dvs7310 Jun 3, 2007 12:28 am


Originally Posted by gilpin (Post 7821256)
Using the "light horn" as it is called here is actually is prohibited in at least some states. The problem is that the chances of being pulled over for it are almost nil.

Why this "light horn" is so offensive to people stateside is beyond me???

If someone is arrogant enough to drive in the left land down the highway for no apparent reason at 3 MPH over the speed limit then they really do need a reminder to GET OVER if someone driving much faster is approaching from behind and they show no intention of moving.

Flying Lawyer Jun 3, 2007 2:52 am


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 7840168)
Why this "light horn" is so offensive to people stateside is beyond me???

If someone is arrogant enough to drive in the left land down the highway for no apparent reason at 3 MPH over the speed limit then they really do need a reminder to GET OVER if someone driving much faster is approaching from behind and they show no intention of moving.

Even though I do not like the kind of drivers you described either, there is a simple explanation why it is understood as means of coercion at least under German Criminal Law to use the light horn under the circumstances you explained: You intend to reach an aim not accepted by the legal system (speeding) and you press other people literally to get out of the way for your purpoeses.

It might not be that dramatic in the US with a speed limit of 55 mph. But assume being on an Autobahn driving at 90 mph and the Porsche appearing from the back with 140 mph and massive use of the light horn. It is not only unpleasant but it is certainly a dangerous situation.


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