Urgent: Please help with determining how to connect in AMS
#1
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Urgent: Please help with determining how to connect in AMS
All - Need your help please kinda of urgently. An individual is a citizen of the Russian Federation. Has a valid US visa and does not have a valid Shengen visa. The person is flying the following itinerary:
MSQ-AMS-EWR-IAH.
The MSQ-AMS segment is on Belavia and is on a separate ticket. The AMS-EWR-IAH segment is on UA and is the second ticket. The person has checked luggage. How does the person transfer the luggage from the MSQ-AMS flight on Belavia to the AMS-EWR flight on UA? Is there a transfer/transit desk in AMS or something like this and can this desk help? The reason I ask is that I believe the person may have to go through immigration at AMS in order to pick up and check in again but, obviously, that is not possible due to the absence of a Shengen visa. There are a variety of reasons the person had to take this itinerary. Thanks so much.
MSQ-AMS-EWR-IAH.
The MSQ-AMS segment is on Belavia and is on a separate ticket. The AMS-EWR-IAH segment is on UA and is the second ticket. The person has checked luggage. How does the person transfer the luggage from the MSQ-AMS flight on Belavia to the AMS-EWR flight on UA? Is there a transfer/transit desk in AMS or something like this and can this desk help? The reason I ask is that I believe the person may have to go through immigration at AMS in order to pick up and check in again but, obviously, that is not possible due to the absence of a Shengen visa. There are a variety of reasons the person had to take this itinerary. Thanks so much.
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All - Need your help please kinda of urgently. An individual is a citizen of the Russian Federation. Has a valid US visa and does not have a valid Shengen visa. The person is flying the following itinerary:
MSQ-AMS-EWR-IAH.
The MSQ-AMS segment is on Belavia and is on a separate ticket. The AMS-EWR-IAH segment is on UA and is the second ticket. The person has checked luggage. How does the person transfer the luggage from the MSQ-AMS flight on Belavia to the AMS-EWR flight on UA? Is there a transfer/transit desk in AMS or something like this and can this desk help? The reason I ask is that I believe the person may have to go through immigration at AMS in order to pick up and check in again but, obviously, that is not possible due to the absence of a Shengen visa. There are a variety of reasons the person had to take this itinerary. Thanks so much.
MSQ-AMS-EWR-IAH.
The MSQ-AMS segment is on Belavia and is on a separate ticket. The AMS-EWR-IAH segment is on UA and is the second ticket. The person has checked luggage. How does the person transfer the luggage from the MSQ-AMS flight on Belavia to the AMS-EWR flight on UA? Is there a transfer/transit desk in AMS or something like this and can this desk help? The reason I ask is that I believe the person may have to go through immigration at AMS in order to pick up and check in again but, obviously, that is not possible due to the absence of a Shengen visa. There are a variety of reasons the person had to take this itinerary. Thanks so much.
[KVS Tool 9.9.7/Diamond - TIMATIC: Visa/Entry Requirements]
Code:
National Russian Fed. (RU) /Embarkation Belarus (BY)
Transit Netherlands (NL) /Destination USA (US)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW
[Visa Information - Transit] Netherlands (NL)
[Information For Normal Passports]
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
- Passengers must have a Schengen visa.
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a
flight on the same aircraft or for the first connecting flight
to a third country which is not a Schengen Member State. They
must:
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a
flight on the same aircraft or for the first connecting flight
to Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and
Saba or to any other third country which is not a Schengen
Member State. They must:
- have a residence permit issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint
Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a
flight on the same aircraft or for the first connecting flight
to Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and
Saba or to any other third country which is not a Schengen
Member State. They must:
- have a visa issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire
or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from Aruba,
Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba with
a confirmed onward ticket for a flight on the same aircraft
to any other third country which is not a Schengen Member
State. They must:
- have a residence permit issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint
Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from Aruba,
Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba with
a confirmed onward ticket for a flight on the same aircraft
to any other third country which is not a Schengen Member
State. They must:
- have a used or valid visa issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint
Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Warning:
- Passengers transiting through two airports in the Schengen
Area must comply with entry regulations of the first
Schengen Member State.
[Health Information] Netherlands (NL)
Vaccinations not required.
[Visa Information - Destination] USA (US)
[Information For Normal Passports]
Passport required.
- Passports issued to nationals of Russian Fed. must be valid
for the period of intended stay.
- When passengers travel with an authorization for Parole of
an Alien into the United States (Form I-512), it must be
valid on arrival.
Passport Exemptions:
- Passengers with an Authorization for Parole of an Alien into
the United States (Form I-512).
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
- Passengers who have transited or have been in Austria,
Belgium, Brazil, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,
Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland (Rep.), Italy,
Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta,
Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia,
Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or in the United Kingdom
(excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the
past 14 days are not allowed to enter the USA.
- This does not apply to B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged
in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind
farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar
crewmember actives.
- Passengers who have been in China (People's Rep.) in the
past 14 days are not allowed to enter the USA.
- This does not apply to B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged
in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind
farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar
crewmember actives.
- Passengers who have been in Iran in the past 14 days are not
allowed to enter the USA.
- This does not apply to B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged
in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind
farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar
crewmember actives.
Visa required, except for Passengers with an Authorization for
Parole of an Alien into the United States (Form I-512).
Minors:
- Minors traveling unaccompanied, or accompanied by one parent
or a person other than parent/legal guardian,
[[TIDFT/US/PA/MI/ID50367]].
Additional Information:
- A passenger may enter the USA with a valid visa in an
expired passport, if [[TIDFT/US/VI/AI/ID42974]]
Warning:
- Below listed passengers are allowed to enter the USA, even
if they transited or have been in Austria, Belgium, Brazil,
China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland,
France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland
(Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg,
Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia,
Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or the United Kingdom
(excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the
past 14 days:
a. nationals of the USA;
b. permanent residents of the USA;
c. the spouse of a national of the USA;
d. the spouse of a permanent resident of the US;
e. the parent/legal guardian of an unmarried and younger
than 21 years national or permanent resident of the USA;
f. the unmarried and younger than 21 years brother or sister
of a national or permanent resident of the USA, who is
unmarried and younger than 21 years;
g. the child/foster child/ward of a national or permanent
resident of the USA;
h. passengers with an IR-4 or IH-4 visa;
i. passengers with a C-1, D, or C-1/D visa;
j. passengers with an A-1, A-2, C-2, C-3, E-1 as an employee
of TECRO or TECO or the employee's immediate family members,
G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 visa;
k. members of the U.S. Armed Forces, spouses, and children
of members of the U.S. Armed Forces;
l. passengers with evidence of traveling at the invitation
of the USA government for a purpose related to the
containment/mitigation of the Coronavirus (COVID-19);
m. passengers with documents issued by the U.S. Department
of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or
U.S. Department of State indicating that the passenger is
exempt from the restriction.
- Passengers who have been in one of below listed countries in
the past 14 days but are exempt from the restriction to
enter the USA, must arrive at one of the following airports:
Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS), Chicago (ORD), Dallas, (DFW),
Detroit (DTW), Ft. Lauderdale (FLL), Honolulu (HNL), Houston
(IAH), Los Angeles (LAX), Miami (MIA), New York (JFK or
EWR), San Francisco (SFO), Seattle (SEA) and Washington
(IAD).
-- Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China (People's Rep.), Czechia,
Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary,
Iceland, Ireland (Rep.), Iran, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland,
Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or
the United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside
of Europe).
- Passengers who have been in Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China
(People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,
Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland (Rep.),
Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta,
Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia,
Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or United Kingdom (excluding
overseas territories outside of Europe) in the past 14 days
but are exempt from the restriction to enter the USA, must
self-quarantine for 14 days once they reach their final
destination.
- Passengers traveling to Puerto Rico will be quarantined for
14 days.
- Passengers traveling to Puerto Rico must present a completed
Puerto Rico Department of Health form upon arrival.
[Health Information] USA (US)
Vaccinations not required.
Warning:
- Those entering on a K-1 or K-2 visa must hold a medical form
FS398 and X-ray plates of chest (full size not necessary).
CHECK [[TINEWS]] - CHECK LATEST NEWS AND UPDATES ON TRAVEL
INFORMATION
14 Jul 2020 / 03:27 [UTC]
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This type of a connection would not be possible with checked baggage:
[KVS Tool 9.9.7/Diamond - TIMATIC: Visa/Entry Requirements]
[KVS Tool 9.9.7/Diamond - TIMATIC: Visa/Entry Requirements]
Code:
National Russian Fed. (RU) /Embarkation Belarus (BY)
Transit Netherlands (NL) /Destination USA (US)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW
[Visa Information - Transit] Netherlands (NL)
[Information For Normal Passports]
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
- Passengers must have a Schengen visa.
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a
flight on the same aircraft or for the first connecting flight
to a third country which is not a Schengen Member State. They
must:
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a
flight on the same aircraft or for the first connecting flight
to Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and
Saba or to any other third country which is not a Schengen
Member State. They must:
- have a residence permit issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint
Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a
flight on the same aircraft or for the first connecting flight
to Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and
Saba or to any other third country which is not a Schengen
Member State. They must:
- have a visa issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire
or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from Aruba,
Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba with
a confirmed onward ticket for a flight on the same aircraft
to any other third country which is not a Schengen Member
State. They must:
- have a residence permit issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint
Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers arriving from Aruba,
Curacao, Sint Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba with
a confirmed onward ticket for a flight on the same aircraft
to any other third country which is not a Schengen Member
State. They must:
- have a used or valid visa issued by Aruba, Curacao, Sint
Maarten, Bonaire or Sint Eustatius and Saba and
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Warning:
- Passengers transiting through two airports in the Schengen
Area must comply with entry regulations of the first
Schengen Member State.
[Health Information] Netherlands (NL)
Vaccinations not required.
[Visa Information - Destination] USA (US)
[Information For Normal Passports]
Passport required.
- Passports issued to nationals of Russian Fed. must be valid
for the period of intended stay.
- When passengers travel with an authorization for Parole of
an Alien into the United States (Form I-512), it must be
valid on arrival.
Passport Exemptions:
- Passengers with an Authorization for Parole of an Alien into
the United States (Form I-512).
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
- Passengers who have transited or have been in Austria,
Belgium, Brazil, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,
Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland (Rep.), Italy,
Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta,
Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia,
Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or in the United Kingdom
(excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the
past 14 days are not allowed to enter the USA.
- This does not apply to B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged
in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind
farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar
crewmember actives.
- Passengers who have been in China (People's Rep.) in the
past 14 days are not allowed to enter the USA.
- This does not apply to B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged
in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind
farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar
crewmember actives.
- Passengers who have been in Iran in the past 14 days are not
allowed to enter the USA.
- This does not apply to B1 crew crewmembers that are engaged
in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind
farm activity, private air/sea crew and other similar
crewmember actives.
Visa required, except for Passengers with an Authorization for
Parole of an Alien into the United States (Form I-512).
Minors:
- Minors traveling unaccompanied, or accompanied by one parent
or a person other than parent/legal guardian,
[[TIDFT/US/PA/MI/ID50367]].
Additional Information:
- A passenger may enter the USA with a valid visa in an
expired passport, if [[TIDFT/US/VI/AI/ID42974]]
Warning:
- Below listed passengers are allowed to enter the USA, even
if they transited or have been in Austria, Belgium, Brazil,
China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland,
France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland
(Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg,
Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia,
Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or the United Kingdom
(excluding overseas territories outside of Europe), in the
past 14 days:
a. nationals of the USA;
b. permanent residents of the USA;
c. the spouse of a national of the USA;
d. the spouse of a permanent resident of the US;
e. the parent/legal guardian of an unmarried and younger
than 21 years national or permanent resident of the USA;
f. the unmarried and younger than 21 years brother or sister
of a national or permanent resident of the USA, who is
unmarried and younger than 21 years;
g. the child/foster child/ward of a national or permanent
resident of the USA;
h. passengers with an IR-4 or IH-4 visa;
i. passengers with a C-1, D, or C-1/D visa;
j. passengers with an A-1, A-2, C-2, C-3, E-1 as an employee
of TECRO or TECO or the employee's immediate family members,
G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 visa;
k. members of the U.S. Armed Forces, spouses, and children
of members of the U.S. Armed Forces;
l. passengers with evidence of traveling at the invitation
of the USA government for a purpose related to the
containment/mitigation of the Coronavirus (COVID-19);
m. passengers with documents issued by the U.S. Department
of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or
U.S. Department of State indicating that the passenger is
exempt from the restriction.
- Passengers who have been in one of below listed countries in
the past 14 days but are exempt from the restriction to
enter the USA, must arrive at one of the following airports:
Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS), Chicago (ORD), Dallas, (DFW),
Detroit (DTW), Ft. Lauderdale (FLL), Honolulu (HNL), Houston
(IAH), Los Angeles (LAX), Miami (MIA), New York (JFK or
EWR), San Francisco (SFO), Seattle (SEA) and Washington
(IAD).
-- Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China (People's Rep.), Czechia,
Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary,
Iceland, Ireland (Rep.), Iran, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland,
Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or
the United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside
of Europe).
- Passengers who have been in Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China
(People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,
Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland (Rep.),
Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta,
Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia,
Spain, Sweden, Switzerland or United Kingdom (excluding
overseas territories outside of Europe) in the past 14 days
but are exempt from the restriction to enter the USA, must
self-quarantine for 14 days once they reach their final
destination.
- Passengers traveling to Puerto Rico will be quarantined for
14 days.
- Passengers traveling to Puerto Rico must present a completed
Puerto Rico Department of Health form upon arrival.
[Health Information] USA (US)
Vaccinations not required.
Warning:
- Those entering on a K-1 or K-2 visa must hold a medical form
FS398 and X-ray plates of chest (full size not necessary).
CHECK [[TINEWS]] - CHECK LATEST NEWS AND UPDATES ON TRAVEL
INFORMATION
14 Jul 2020 / 03:27 [UTC]
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Just to say as well that even if there were no visa issues there are no bag drop desk in AMS baggage claim area which in any case are after immigration.
Your friend would have to clear Dutch Immigration, collect the bags, take them to UAs check in desk, reclear security and exit passport control before getting back to airside.
The only salvation I can think your friend could seek would be to check if these two airlines have an interline agreement even when flying on separate tickets and through check the bags which would obviate the need to enter the Netherlands and they could remain airslide.
Your friend would have to clear Dutch Immigration, collect the bags, take them to UAs check in desk, reclear security and exit passport control before getting back to airside.
The only salvation I can think your friend could seek would be to check if these two airlines have an interline agreement even when flying on separate tickets and through check the bags which would obviate the need to enter the Netherlands and they could remain airslide.
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Posts: 145
All - Need your help please kinda of urgently. An individual is a citizen of the Russian Federation. Has a valid US visa and does not have a valid Shengen visa. The person is flying the following itinerary:
MSQ-AMS-EWR-IAH.
The MSQ-AMS segment is on Belavia and is on a separate ticket. The AMS-EWR-IAH segment is on UA and is the second ticket. The person has checked luggage. How does the person transfer the luggage from the MSQ-AMS flight on Belavia to the AMS-EWR flight on UA? Is there a transfer/transit desk in AMS or something like this and can this desk help? The reason I ask is that I believe the person may have to go through immigration at AMS in order to pick up and check in again but, obviously, that is not possible due to the absence of a Shengen visa. There are a variety of reasons the person had to take this itinerary. Thanks so much.
MSQ-AMS-EWR-IAH.
The MSQ-AMS segment is on Belavia and is on a separate ticket. The AMS-EWR-IAH segment is on UA and is the second ticket. The person has checked luggage. How does the person transfer the luggage from the MSQ-AMS flight on Belavia to the AMS-EWR flight on UA? Is there a transfer/transit desk in AMS or something like this and can this desk help? The reason I ask is that I believe the person may have to go through immigration at AMS in order to pick up and check in again but, obviously, that is not possible due to the absence of a Shengen visa. There are a variety of reasons the person had to take this itinerary. Thanks so much.
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Thanks. Yes, we ended up needing to rebook the tickets via IST (or via BEG) - the only way for someone with a US visa to make it to the the US and bypassing the EU.