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northsideguy Jul 19, 2019 6:06 pm

Netherlands Travel Warning
 
Just received this STEP Notification from US Department of State





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KLouis Jul 19, 2019 8:17 pm

Now, now... Read the very last sentence of this: They send, and re-send these warnings and, this way, they keep their jobs every time an act of terrorism happens somewhere in the world. Perhaps they should hire a few more people in this agency to send warnings about killings in US schools, night clubs and post offices.

JBord Jul 20, 2019 8:29 am

Is this serious? It's one of the safest countries in the world. I'm surprised there's even a warning.

I'm not generally as critical of State Dept travel warnings as many others here, but this one might as well say don't ever leave your house. If this were a new warning based on credible evidence, I'd get it, but just a general warning makes me wonder if there's any place in the world that wouldn't get a level 2.

This is what makes people ignore the warnings, even the ones they shouldn't. For somewhere like Paris, a level 2 probably makes sense, but not for The Netherlands (unless I'm missing something).

GUWonder Jul 20, 2019 11:05 am

It may have to do with concerns that connect the Dutch drug trade with Iranian-backed Hezbollah or with just the latter being positioned to act up dangerously in the Netherlands in the event of further hostilities involving Iran. I’ll probably hear more about this on Tuesday.

The Netherlands is on the same level as France, and it’s as I would expect it to be. Will I change my travels because of it? No.

UKtravelbear Jul 20, 2019 1:42 pm

that could be the advice for any number of countries across the world. Including the USA

GUWonder Jul 20, 2019 4:07 pm


Originally Posted by UKtravelbear (Post 31324584)
that could be the advice for any number of countries across the world. Including the USA

Yes, and it’s part of why the trend will turn out to be one for higher level(s) of warnings across more and more countries,

Denmark has also been moved up to Level 2 this year. The UK was already at 2 IIRC. Sweden is at 1.

JBord Jul 21, 2019 9:22 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 31324152)
It may have to do with concerns that connect the Dutch drug trade with Iranian-backed Hezbollah or with just the latter being positioned to act up dangerously in the Netherlands in the event of further hostilities involving Iran. I’ll probably hear more about this on Tuesday.

The Netherlands is on the same level as France, and it’s as I would expect it to be. Will I change my travels because of it? No.

Yes, I suppose that's possible. But it's a re-issue of an existing warning, that's the part that surprised me more, that one even existed.

It seems odd to me that a country like this would have the same warning level as countries that actually have a history of terrorist attacks, such as France, Belgium, or the US. Maybe the point I'm trying to make is that the system isn't very useful. :)

Giggleswick Jul 21, 2019 10:25 am

There was the Utrecht tram attack last winter, though it was small-scale. And authorities said last year that people arrested in Arnhem were planning a major terrorist attack. So perhaps there's some justification for the official caution, despite the absence of a major incident so far.

ETA: To clarify, I'm not saying that people shouldn't travel to the Netherlands (I still will), just that the warning may have some basis.

LondonElite Jul 22, 2019 1:50 am

It's a fairly pointless CYA-style warning. It would be easier and more effective if they just published a warning along the lines of:

If you travel anywhere outside your house you face multiple dangers to your life, at any time. These life threatening dangers can come in any form, including ones you least expect. Take precautions accordingly. Life threatening dangers also lurk inside your house.

GUWonder Jul 22, 2019 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by LondonElite (Post 31328658)
It's a fairly pointless CYA-style warning. It would be easier and more effective if they just published a warning along the lines of:

If you travel anywhere outside your house you face multiple dangers to your life, at any time. These life threatening dangers can come in any form, including ones you least expect. Take precautions accordingly. Life threatening dangers also lurk inside your house.

Beware of water, you could drown.
Beware of driving a car, you could have a fatal car accident.
Beware of heating your house, you could die of carbon monoxide poisoning.
And so on.

:D! Jul 25, 2019 12:27 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 31331237)


Beware of water, you could drown.
Beware of driving a car, you could have a fatal car accident.
Beware of heating your house, you could die of carbon monoxide poisoning.
And so on.

Beware of being born, you will die.

AlicorporateUK Jul 25, 2019 2:13 am

When in doubt (e.g. I recently travelled to Kosovo because of work and wanted to go and see other places apart from the capital city), I normally go for the Foreign Travel Advice on gov.uk: always up-to-date, no-nonsense, 'elegantly' written and with plenty of useful info - very British indeed ;)

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Romanianflyer Jul 25, 2019 5:48 am

They should bring back the Boris Johnson's Travel Advice page - which in its eloquent way was probably the best there ever was :cool:

https://i.postimg.cc/0jfDfPV2/bojo.jpg

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b0daae46fc12d8

AlicorporateUK Jul 25, 2019 6:32 am

Ha, I suspect there will be plenty of that in the days and months to come and possibly from his official Twitter account at Number 10 ;)

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Giggleswick Jul 25, 2019 10:11 am


Originally Posted by AlicorporateUK (Post 31340093)
I normally go for the Foreign Travel Advice on gov.uk: always up-to-date, no-nonsense, 'elegantly' written and with plenty of useful info - very British

Which, by the way, also advises vigilance when travelling to the Netherlands, citing the possibility of terrorist attacks. So the US travel caution doesn't look as much like paranoid overreach as might otherwise be assumed.


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