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Germany to Hungary : Air travel without passport, with Aufenthaltstitel

Germany to Hungary : Air travel without passport, with Aufenthaltstitel

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Old Jul 11, 19, 1:30 am
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Question Germany to Hungary : Air travel without passport, with Aufenthaltstitel

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I have an Indian passport and am currently residing in Germany with a valid Aufenthaltstitel. I am scheduled to fly to Hungary next week, but my passport is stuck at the Canadian embassy for another visa application.

I was wondering if anyone can let me know if I will be allowed to travel without my passport and just with my Aufenthaltstitel + photocopy of my passport. I am travelling by Ryan Air and don't have checked in baggage.

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Old Jul 11, 19, 1:36 am
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Well, Hungary is in Schengen, so you shouldn't need a passport, but I can't speak for Ryanair.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 3:57 am
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I don't think Ryanair will let you fly, especially since you're a visa national for Hungary. You can try to contact the Bundespolizei at the airport out of which you will be flying and ask if they will issue you a temporary travel document.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 12:53 pm
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Ryanair T&C have many clauses about acceptable documentation, but none that handle specifically intra-Schengen travel... so I'd call them first and ask.

Or take Lufhtansa, they don't check docs.

(For intra-Schengen travel one needs a valid travel document, but I have no idea if the Aufenthaltstitel is one or not)
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Old Jul 11, 19, 1:49 pm
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Officially any "Aufenthaltstitel" is only valid in conjunction with a valid pasport.
(thereīs a cross reference on the Aufenthaltstitel showing the passport number upon which the Aufenthaltstitel depends)
So, despite in everyday life just the Aufenthaltstitel is accepted in most cases/places as a sort of ID I can assure you that Ryanair will not allow you to board.
They are very strict in this regard.

An Aufenthaltstitel is not a travel document but just a residence permit.
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As said above, your residency card is ONLY valid in conjunction with a passport.

Therefore, the next question is whether the airlines will be actually check for IDs (given that its a Schengen flight), and if they do, how stringent will they be?

My empirical answer to that is that the following are ultra-strict:
(1) flying in/out of Italy and Spain
(2) flying on Italian and Spanish carriers
(3) low cost airlines
...and sometimes France

Flying Schengen most everywhere else, with online check-in, I've pretty much never had to bother showing IDs.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 2:48 pm
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One more thing, although I could be wrong:

AFAICT - only citizens of EU member states (includes Switzerland but except the U.K.) can use their national IDs to travel within Europe without the passport. IIRC - all others, including the U.K. citizens, will have to use passports.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 5:40 pm
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One more thing, although I could be wrong:

AFAICT - only citizens of EU member states (includes Switzerland but except the U.K.) can use their national IDs to travel within Europe without the passport. IIRC - all others, including the U.K. citizens, will have to use passports.
This is correct, I've travelled in EU and some non EU European countries with my EU member state ID card, after all it states my nationality on it. Citizens of non EU countries must provide valid passport, also as foreigner what will the OP do if asked for ID by Hungarian police. In worst case scenario he/she might get arrested until proven who he/she is.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 10:13 am
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Neither Schengen, EU, nor Hungary's rules matter here.

FR will require a passport or OP will be denied boarding. All covered on FR's website.
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Old Jul 13, 19, 2:34 am
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I was informed that FR accepts driving licenses and residency permits for intra-Schengen flights (it checks ID for commercial reasons), but the website only mentions domestic flights, so unless someone knows the situation on the ground for sure, passport is the only safe bet.
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Old Jul 13, 19, 8:47 am
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I'm afraid that the OP's only alternatives are bus or train! Well, perhaps better (even if longer) than a FR flight.
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Lufthansa does not ask for a passport, neither an ID when traveling within the Schengen zone unless you need to would check a bag. Simply print your boarding pass at home/kiosks or use a mobile boarding pass.

For a FRA departure on Lufthi %99,99 there wonít be any problems.

I donít know the procedure of the ground handling in BUD ( for the return ), so I wonít comment on that.
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Old Jul 14, 19, 2:27 am
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
One more thing, although I could be wrong:

AFAICT - only citizens of EU member states (includes Switzerland but except the U.K.) can use their national IDs to travel within Europe without the passport. IIRC - all others, including the U.K. citizens, will have to use passports.
The UK is currently still an EU member, and for intra-EU travel we are still entitled to freedom of movement. We therefore only have to prove we are British Citizens.

The difficulty in doing this is that the UK does not have a mandatory National ID card, and nor is it ever likely to have one - the take-up for the voluntary scheme was tiny. The least painful way for us to travel is therefore to show a passport, and thatís common with every EU country given the automated kiosks only take passports, so anyone with an ID card would have to join a manual queue.
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Originally Posted by NWIFlyer View Post
The difficulty in doing this is that the UK does not have a mandatory National ID card, and nor is it ever likely to have one - the take-up for the voluntary scheme was tiny.
The U.K. did have a ID scheme in the past. But it was canceled.
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