EU adopts electronic travel authorizations
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You don't get a card with an US ESTA as the system is electronic. Heck I have GE and I don't get a card and that cost me a heck of a lot more than €7 or $14 for my ESTA.
If you are antsy then you can print out a copy of the authorisation that has the dates on it but I have never been asked to show it. My ESTA (and GE) are linked to my passport and I would anticipate that is how the EU system would work.
If there were cards involved the cost would be a lot more than €7!
If you are antsy then you can print out a copy of the authorisation that has the dates on it but I have never been asked to show it. My ESTA (and GE) are linked to my passport and I would anticipate that is how the EU system would work.
If there were cards involved the cost would be a lot more than €7!
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I've been talking extensively with the authorities and others involved in matters in this area for the EU/Schengen zone.
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All of the above are 100% correct. As for the linked ESTA-passport, a week or so after I lost my Greek passport a few years ago during a Miami-Rome flight (don't ask how...) and reported that to the police station at FCO, I received an email from a "noreply" US government address stating that my ~year-old ESTA had been revoked without prejudice and that I'd have to get a new one after obtaining a new passport if I wanted to visit the States again.
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Well, the whole purpose is stop people from entering the EU that the EU doesn't want. So those that are denied authorizations have their freedom of movement eroded. Now that may be a good thing, depending on the people
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The EU (or, to be correct, certain Governments of EU) indeed wants to stop certain people from entering the EU. In their vast majority (if not all of them) these unwelcome individuals will have nothing to do with the new ETIAS, they've been obliged to have a visa for a long time and will still be for the foreseeable future. Which, of course does not mean that they nevertheless manage to enter the EU, much the same way that neither visa nor ESTA managed to reduce illegal immigration to the US. So, the ETIAs is certainly not meant to be a European version of... the wall
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"freedom of movement" is applicable to EU citizens, who are anyway excluded from this.
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A dual EU/non-EU citizen travelling as an EU citizen (EU passport used) will certainly not need anything of the kind. Simple logic, though, also says that if (s)he shows his "other" passport at immigration, he'll be asked for an authorization. Also, if they model the ETIAS on the US and entry Aussie authorizations, they will not be bothering to ask for it when exiting the EU. At any rate, let's wait and see...
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At least with these sort of authorisations you don't even get on the plane before being denied entry rather than it happen at the border and being sent back.
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Airlines transmit the passport number to the US (along with other demographic data) and they get sent back a marker that shows them you have an ESTA which then along with the passport check generates the 'docs ok' on the boarding pass.
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Countries have always had the right to refuse entry to visitors. They don't have any freedom of movement rights until they are admitted to the country/countries
At least with these sort of authorisations you don't even get on the plane before being denied entry rather than it happen at the border and being sent back.
At least with these sort of authorisations you don't even get on the plane before being denied entry rather than it happen at the border and being sent back.
Can't people still be denied entry at the border? AFAIK having an ESTA isn't proof that the USA will necessarily allow one to enter.